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Postby Jabroniville » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:23 pm

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Jack's Costume: a Device with the most powerful "Dazzle Visuals" attack in comics.

JACK OF HEARTS (Jack Hart)- Pre-Disassembled Avengers
PL 10 (122)

ST 14 (+2) DEX 14 (+2) CON 24 (+7) INT 12 (+1) WIS 12 (+1) CHA 12 (+1)

Skills:
Bluff 4 (+5)
Intimidate 5 (+6)
Knowledge (Alien Lore) 7 (+8)
Language (English, Various Aliens) 2
Notice 4 (+5)
Pilot 4 (+6)
Profession (Poet) 6 (+8)

Feats:
Attack Specialization (Zero Energy Blasts), Dodge Focus 2, Equipment (Armour: Toughness 3), Power Attack

Powers:
"Zero Energy Body"
Immunity 9 (Life Support) [9]
Flight 5 [5]
Space Travel 2 [2]

Blast 11 (Feats: Split Attack, Improved Critical 2) [25]
AP: Thermal Control 10

"Computer Brain"
Quickness 6 (Flaws: Mental Tasks Only) [3]

Saves:
Toughness +7 (+10 Armour), Fortitude +9, Reflex +4, Will +4

Combat:
Attack +7 (+9 Zero Blasts), Damage +2 (+11 Zero Blasts), Defense +8 (+10 Dodge), Initiative +2

Complications:
Responsibility (Barely Contained Energy)

Abilities: 28 / Skills: 32--8 / Feats: 5 / Powers: 44 / Saves: 7 /Combat: 30 (122)

-Jack of Hearts is one of the weirder Avengers, coming from "Deadly Hands of Kung-Fu" for whatever reason, becoming a black & white hero for a bit before joining the Marvel Universe proper, and becoming one of their forgotten "Space Guys". I recall a ton of online fanboys begging for his return during the early 2000s, which always weirded me out, and when he FINALLY came back and joined the Avengers, they spent all of a year with him before randomly killing him off and having his blow up the mansion during the opening salvo of Disassembled. Alright then.

-A very powerful hero, but lacking in the Skills & Feats to be a big-leaguer thanks to his inexperience and lack of a solo title, poor Jack is way underpointed. He's a half-decent blaster, but his lack of control over his power leaves him without Improved Aim or Precise Shot, like most should have.
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Postby Jabroniville » Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:07 pm

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FIREBIRD (Bonita Juarez)- 1980s Avengers
PL 9 (126)

ST 10 DEX 16 (+3) CON 14 (+2) INT 12 (+1) WIS 14 (+2) CHA 12 (+1)

Skills:
Acrobatics 4 (+7)
Diplomacy 4 (+5)
Drive 4 (+7)
Knowledge (Theology & Philosophy) 7 (+9)
Language (Spanish, English) 1
Notice 4 (+6)
Sense Motive 4 (+6)

Feats:
Defensive Roll 2, Dodge Focus 2, Improved Aim, Precise Shot

Powers:
Fire Blast 10 (Feats: Split Attack, Improved Critical) [22]
Flight 4 [8]
Flame Aura 2 [8]

Immunity 14 (Poison, Disease, Radiation Effects 10, Daemonic Magic 2) [14]
Super-Senses 4 (Precognition) (Flaws: Uncontrolled) [2]

Saves:
Toughness +2 (+4 D.Roll), Fortitude +5, Reflex +6, Will +5

Combat:
Attack +8, Damage +1 (+10 Fire Blasts), Defense +8 (+10 Dodge), Initiative +3

Complications:
Responsibility (Devout Roman Catholic)

Abilities: 18 / Skills: 28--7 / Feats: 6 / Powers: 54 / Saves: 9 /Combat: 32 (126)

-Firebird pretty much defines "Tertiary Character" in the Marvel Universe, basically being created as a fight for the Hulk (yeah, right...) in his own series, then being put onto the Avengers for a very brief period. Subsequent 'comebacks' have generally been pretty short, as she's about as generic as they come: A devout Catholic latina (so original), a fire-wielding hero (at least they didn't make her 'hot-headed'), a flying blaster, it's all pretty standard stuff. She has some extra powers thrown out there that seem to make little sense (she has fire-powers from a meteor, so of course she can also see the future and is immune to poison and daemonic magic-- huh?), but she's not much of a character.

-An under-powered PL 9, essentially a Blaster with some extra powers, including a small Aura Damage effect. No fancy Area-bursting stuff here, though, she's very much a standard no-frills type.
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Postby Jabroniville » Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:49 pm

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What do you do when the costume is a thousand times cooler than the guy?

MOON KNIGHT (Marc Spector)- 1980s Avengers West Coast
PL 10 (150)

ST 20/26 (+5/+8) DEX 18 (+4) CON 24 (+7) INT 14 (+2) WIS 14 (+2) CHA 16 (+3)

Skills:
Acrobatics 7 (+11)
Bluff 6 (+9)
Computers 4 (+6)
Disable Device 6 (+8)
Drive 8 (+12)
Escape Artist 5 (+9)
Gather Information 5 (+8)
Intimidate 5 (+8)
Knowledge (Arcane Lore) 4 (+6)
Knowledge (Current Events) 8 (+10)
Language (Several) 3
Notice 7 (+9)
Pilot 9 (+13)
Profession (Mercenary) 7 (+9)
Sense Motive 4 (+6)
Stealth 5 (+9)
Survival 5 (+7)

Feats:
Accurate Attack, Benefit (Wealth) 2, Connected, Defensive Roll 2, Diehard, Dodge Focus 2, Equipment 8, Fearless, Improved Aim, Improved Critical (Unarmed), Improved Disarm, Improved Initiative, Power Attack, Takedown Attack, Weapon Bind

Powers:
"Moon-Enhanced Powers"
Enhanced Strength 6 (Flaws: Limited to Nighttime) [3]
Super-Strength 2 (Flaws: Limited to Nighttime) [2]

"Crazy" Mind Shield 5 [5]

Equipment:
"Bolas" Snare 4 (13)
AP: "Truncheon" (Strike 2, Mighty)
AP: "Throwing Darts" (Strike +0, Mighty, Thrown)
AP: "Grappling Hook" Super-Movement 1 (Swinging)
AP: "Ankharang" (Strike +0, Mighty, Thrown) (Extras: Homing)
AP: "Ankh Club" (Strike 2, Mighty) -Linked To- (Super-Senses- Danger Sense)
Vehicles: Helicopter, Motorcycle, etc.

Saves:
Toughness +7 (+9 D.Roll), Fortitude +9, Reflex +6, Will +6

Combat:
Attack +10, Damage +5 (+8 Night, +10 Weapons), Defense +8 (+10 Dodge), Initiative +8

Complications:
Responsibility (Mercenary Past)
Responsibility (Agent of Konshu, God of Vengeance)

Abilities: 46 / Skills: 100--25 / Feats: 25 / Powers: 10 / Saves: 8 /Combat: 36 (150)

-Moon Knight's reputation as a Batman rip-off has plagued him through virutally his entire career, from his origin to now, as he's basically a "Something related to darkness" Knight who stalks the night, preying upon criminals, while being a wealthy man with lots of neat crap on him. He moves past it from time to time, as that costume is BAD ASS (though as Wizard once pointed out- despite that awesome outfit, he'd have to stand on a stepladder to kiss Batman's ass), and he gets the occasional reboot out of the depths of Marvel Limbo, but he's not out of the Jobber Pit yet. We'll see how long this current run lasts, and if he manages to stay a cool character. Iron Fist is in the same boat, being a similarly-70s-based character who's had an iffy bunch of runs since then.
-Moon Knight stats out pretty well as a PL 10, but only at night. During the day, he's still tough, but reduced to +7 Damage with his weapons, making him a low-end PL 9. This is of course the Avengers West Coast-era Moonie, dependent upon his fancy Batman-esque weapons with Egyptian designs. He did KO Black Knight pretty easily in their fight in "Contest of Champions" as I recall, though that (and the "Adamantium Bad-Ass Costume" era adventure with Spidey versus Hobgoblin, who was kind of a villain whore at that point, being lended out to lesser heroes in early books like Lindsay Lohan at a musician's hotel room) is about the only time I've ever actually read Moon Knight's stuff.
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Postby unknown_soldier » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:47 am

Started off as an assassin hired to kill Werewolf Jack Russel,all his weapons were silver but I think they retconned that with the release of his own series.At this point in his career Moon Knight was possessed by Khonshu.
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Postby Jabroniville » Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:40 pm

When he was an Avenger? Or later? His history is confusing :).
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Postby unknown_soldier » Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:55 pm

When he was an Avenger.
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Postby Jabroniville » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:38 am

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THOR- Classic Avengers (1960s)
PL 12 (238)

ST 30/38 (+14) DEX 14 (+2) CON 34 (+12) INT 14 (+2) WIS 16 (+3) CHA 20 (+5)

Skills:
Concentration 4 (+7)
Intimidate 6 (+11)
Knowledge (Arcane Lore) 4 (+6)
Knowledge (History) 5 (+7)
Medicine 8 (+10)
Notice 8 (+11)
Sense Motive 5 (+8)

Feats:
Accurate Attack, All-Out Attack, Attractive, Diehard, Dodge Focus 2, Endurance, Fearless, Improved Critical (Mjolnir) 3, Interpose, Power Attack, Stunning Attack, Takedown Attack 2, Teamwork, Ultimate Will Save

Powers:
"Asgardian Physiology"
Density 4 (Feats: Subtle, Innate) (Extras: Continuous) (Flaws: Permanent) [14]
-- (+8 St, +2 Imp. Toughness, Immovable 1, Super-Strength 1)
Impervious Toughness 8 (total: 10) [8]
Super-Strength 9 (heavy load: 12,500 tons with Belt of Strength) (Feats: Bracing, Countering Punch, Groundstrike) [21]
Immunity 10 (Aging, Life Support) [10]

"Mjolnir" Device 15 (easy to lose) (Feats: Indestructible, Subtle- Walking Stick, Restricted 2- Only Those Worthy) [49]
"Hammer Throw" Blast 14 (Extras: Penetrating 8, Area-Line) (67)
Dynamic AP: "Lightning Bolt" Electrical Control 12 (Feats: Indirect) (Extras: Area-Line)
Dynamic AP: "Hammer Smash" Strike 2 (Feats: Mighty) (Extras: Penetrating 11)
Dynamic AP: "Hammer Spin" Strike 2 (Feats: Mighty) (Extras: Area-Burst)
Dynamic AP: Weather Control 10 (Distraction, Hamper Movement, Reduced Visibility- Mix and Match)
Dynamic AP: Obscure Visuals 10
Dynamic AP: Air Control 10
Dynamic AP: Dazzle Hearing 10
AP: "God Blast" Blast 12 (Feats: Improved Critical 5) (Extras: Penetrating) (Flaws: Tiring)
AP: "Absorbing Energy" Nullify Energy Attacks 10
AP: Super-Movement 3 (Dimensional Movement 3) (Extras: Portal)
Flight 5 (10)
Space Flight 1 (1)-- (78 points)

"Belt of Strength" Device 1 (hard to lose) [4]
Super-Strength 2 (4)

Saves:
Toughness +14, Fortitude +14, Reflex +5, Will +12

Combat:
Attack +8, Damage +14 (+14 Mjolnir Throw, +16 Mjolnir Smash), Defense +6 (+8 Dodge), Initiative +2

Drawbacks:
Normal Identity (Donald Blake or Others) [-4]
Power Loss (All Powers, Removed From Hammer For One Minute) [-2]

Complications:
Responsibility (Asgard)
Enemy (Loki)

Abilities: 68 / Skills: 40--10 / Feats: 18 / Powers: 106 / Saves: 14 /Combat: 28 / Drawbacks: -6 (238)

-Frickin' Thor. Basically created to be Marvel's answer to Superman (some historical reports have said as much, others play coy), but with a mythological, magical bent, Thor's been all over the place, but has consistently been well-portrayed. That's thanks to the loving hands of several creators- Jack Kirby considered this a favourite, and then there's Walt Simonson and the last creative teams in recent years as well. He's had more luck with creative teams than nearly every other hero I can think of. And he's almost always linked to the Avengers (hell, his big villain brought the team together!). For some reason, though, I never much cared for him. I think it's just the excess of POWER he's got (I always liked the more mid-range heroes), and the often-vague descriptions of just what he could do. As a result, I'm not half as familiar with any Thor stuff as I am with other heroes who's books I never read. Plus, I always liked Greek stuff better (even though I never cared for how any company depicted the Olympians), so I'm biased.

-I didn't really want to go higher than PL 12 with any Avenger if I could help it, and Thor is no exception (though he could realistically be made PL 13 or even 14 if you wanted to get crazy). More raw power than Iron Man (another PL 12-er), and WAY more than Cap, but lower accuracy than both. Some people act like Thor's as good a fighter as Cap, but I think that's bunk- the frickin' guy just stands their and slugs it out like every other bruiser, so he gets +8 Attack Bonus and likes it. He gets about 20 more pp to spend on all his crap than the other PL 12 Avengers get however, suiting his Godliness and general retarded array of powers.

-Mjolnir costs a pretty penny, for good reason. It's a powerful Strike with several Area-effects (a Line on the Thrown one), a ranged Blast (either Lightning of Godly, with slightly different modifiers on both), a weather controller (making a good part of it Dynamic, because he often uses it alongside his other attacks), AND it can throw him across dimensions. The Belt of Strength does little but boost his lifting power, as I didn't feel like messing with his base strength/damage caps without it. Thor's got enough powers over the years that I'm probably forgetting SOMETHING (though Wiki gives me nothing- the Time Warp power's been gone for most of his run, and rare enough that it's basically a Stunt anyways), of course.
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Postby Jabroniville » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:54 am

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THUNDERSTRIKE (Eric Masterson)- 1990s Avengers
PL 11 (165)

ST 28/36 (+13) DEX 14 (+2) CON 34 (+12) INT 14 (+2) WIS 13 (+1) CHA 14 (+2)

Skills:
Craft (Structural) 8 (+10)
Diplomacy 2 (+4)
Intimidate 4 (+6)
Notice 5 (+6)
Sense Motive 5 (+6)

Feats:
All-Out Attack, Diehard, Dodge Focus 2, Endurance, Power Attack, Takedown Attack

Powers:
"Asgardian Physiology Bestowed"
Density 4 (Feats: Subtle, Innate) (Extras: Continuous) (Flaws: Permanent) [14]
-- (+8 St, +2 Imp. Toughness, Immovable 1, Super-Strength 1)
Impervious Toughness 8 (total: 10) [8]
Super-Strength 10 (Feats: Bracing, Groundstrike) [22]
Immunity 9 (Life Support) [9]

"Thunderstrike Mace" Device 10 (easy to lose) (Feats: Indestructible, Subtle- Walking Stick, Restricted 2- Only Masterson) [34]
"Lightning Bolt" Electrical Control 12 (Extras: Area-Line) (42)
AP: "Hammer Throw" Damage 3 (Feats: Mighty 11, Thrown, Ricochet 2) (Extras: Penetrating 8, Area-Line)
AP: "Hammer Smash" Strike 2 (Feats: Mighty) (Extras: Penetrating 11)
AP: "Hammer Spin" Strike 2 (Feats: Mighty) (Extras: Area-Burst)
AP: Obscure Visuals 10
AP: Air Control 10
AP: Super-Movement 3 (Dimensional Movement 3) (Extras: Portal)
Flight 4 (Flaws: One Direction Only) (4)
Space Flight 1 (1)
Regeneration 6 (Injured 2, Disabled 2, Staggered 2) (Flaws: Source- Must Change Back to Eric) (3)-- (50 points)

Saves:
Toughness +14, Fortitude +13, Reflex +4, Will +6

Combat:
Attack +7, Damage +13 (+13 Hammer Throw, +15 Hammer Smash), Defense +6 (+8 Dodge), Initiative +2

Drawbacks:
Normal Identity (Eric Masterson) [-4]
Power Loss (All Powers, Removed From Hammer For One Minute) [-2]

Complications:
Responsibility (Son, Kevin)

Abilities: 57 / Skills: 24--6 / Feats: 7 / Powers: 67 / Saves: 8 /Combat: 26 / Drawbacks: -6 (165)

-Eric Masterson never really seemed to get a major chance. He spent a couple years as the "replacement Thor" (being the last of the Avengers' Big Three to get replaced with other guys), putting an 'everyman' perspective into the failing book, before getting his OWN name and set of powers by Odin at that arc's end. This led to a "Thunderstrike" solo series, which was cancelled as soon as the Dark Age of Comics resulted in mass loss of money, and the death of Eric. Too bad for him, but I guess you really can't have TWO guys kicking around at Thor's power level without getting crazy.

-Thunderstrike is basically what Thor is, minus a ton of powers. His strength caps slower (no Belt of Strength), his Hammer's got less added powers to it, he's got less combat Feats, and he's obviously not Immortal. He's actually a near-perfectly balanced PL 11 (165), which is odd for a guy with Thor's powers.

Edit-- Modified the hammer with Woodclaw's suggestions.
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Postby Tattooedman » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:17 am

Nice Thor & Thunderstrike.

Thunderstrike struck me more of a brick with a weapon that gave him some ranged attack options. I liked the series and was bummed when it ended, it all seemed kinda rushed to me. Thunderstrike's personality was something different for the time it was done and his constantly trying to balance out his personal life with upholding Thor's legacy and being a hero to the everyday people made for some interesting reading IMHO.
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Postby Woodclaw » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:56 pm

Nice work Jab, Thunderstrike was another favorite of mine. Unfortunalty I see that your build suffered form the confusion of the various authors about what Thunderstike mace can do.

While on Avengers and other series tha mace was portrayed as a Mjolnir light, the author of the main serie stated that it had quite different powers, so far I recall the following.

1. Thunderstrike flight was less controlable than Thor's, basicly he simply throw the mace in the air and remain attached to it, so he can't change course or speed once airborne.

2. The mace can't summon lighting, instead it was able to project a blast of electrical plasma , the attack always started from the head of the weapon (no indirect).

3. The mace doesn't automaticly come back to Eric after throwing, but he managed to calculate the ricochet to have it landing near him. Also Cap give teach him a couple of tricks about ricocheting weapons.

4. I'm not so sure that he has the Space flight and Dimensional movement powers.

The problem (comicwise) about it was that Eric tried to use the mace as Mjolnir most of the time rather than using it as a different kind of weapon, by the way Odin could give him an instruction booklet.
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Postby Jabroniville » Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:59 am

Weird. Most of the bio sites don't mention that kind of stuff (and Wikipedia only states that he couldn't fly as well as Thor, not the huge penalties you described), especially the blast. I left in Space Flight & Dimensional Movement because Wiki implies the latter, and figured it was only 1 point for the former.
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Postby Thunderstrike » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:14 am

I never knew there was a hero named Thunderstrike. :shock:

I thought I was being original with my name. :(
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Postby LeopoldKain » Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:23 am

Thunderstrike wrote:I never knew there was a hero named Thunderstrike. :shock:

I thought I was being original with my name. :(


I have been told there is another Leopold Kain in Video Games but I have not found him yet.... :(

So dont feel bad Thunderstrike :P
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Postby tm80401 » Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:58 am

Jabroniville wrote:THOR- Classic Avengers (1960s)
Some people act like Thor's as good a fighter as Cap, but I think that's bunk- the frickin' guy just stands their and slugs it out like every other bruiser, so he gets +8 Attack Bonus and likes it.



In defense of those who think Thor is as good a fighter as Cap, the Marvel Super Heroes game from TSR back in the 80's(?) listed Cap's fighting abilities as Amazing, and Thors as Unearthly. Roughly double Cap's. But then, a later book in the same line listed Thor as Remarkable, roughly 60% of Cap.

It's your interpretation of the character, and it's a good one.

Of course, they also listed Hercules as Unearthly fighting, and he get's the snot slapped out of him fairly regularly.
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Postby Tattooedman » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:18 am

Woodclaw wrote:Nice work Jab, Thunderstrike was another favorite of mine. Unfortunalty I see that your build suffered form the confusion of the various authors about what Thunderstike mace can do.

While on Avengers and other series tha mace was portrayed as a Mjolnir light, the author of the main serie stated that it had quite different powers, so far I recall the following.

1. Thunderstrike flight was less controlable than Thor's, basicly he simply throw the mace in the air and remain attached to it, so he can't change course or speed once airborne.

2. The mace can't summon lighting, instead it was able to project a blast of electrical plasma , the attack always started from the head of the weapon (no indirect).

3. The mace doesn't automaticly come back to Eric after throwing, but he managed to calculate the ricochet to have it landing near him. Also Cap give teach him a couple of tricks about ricocheting weapons.

4. I'm not so sure that he has the Space flight and Dimensional movement powers.

The problem (comicwise) about it was that Eric tried to use the mace as Mjolnir most of the time rather than using it as a different kind of weapon, by the way Odin could give him an instruction booklet.


Most of those differences were shown in the first issue when Thunderstrike tried using his new mace like he did Mjolnir and was very shocked when it didn't perform. As a result he got his butt whupped badly and decided that he needed to train with his new weapon. He spent time with Cap figuring it all out. Made for some good story. :D


tm80401 wrote:It's your interpretation of the character, and it's a good one.


I've gotta agree with this too. It's true to the character and you've got him down really well. Nice Work. :D
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