Jab's Builds: He-Man, Ram Man, Teela, Man-at-Arms, Fisto

[Skavenger]

I did like the comic, though...at least parts of it anyway. Looking forward to Jab explaining the M/Penance/Emplate business, though cause I NEVER GOT IT.

I vaguely remember something.
If I got it right it went like this:

• Emplate, M and the twins were all the mutants children of Mr and Mrs Delacroix
• At some point Emplate used his powers to transform M into Penance
• The twins merged to create a double of M so that their parent won't freak out.... (the logic is failing here)
• At some point the rest of Gen X found out and devised a way to restore the original M, in doing so the merged twins became Penance instead

Comic book stupidity at its finest.

See, that's the part I never got. Their parents never noticed that their twin daughters (one of whom was autistic) suddenly went missing? Or was it just a comedy movie trope that you never saw Monet and the twins at the same time?

The thing is, I don't know who to blame for this bad storytelling. Was it Scott Lobdell's idea from the beginning? James Robinson? Larry Hama?

Looking back at some of the covers, though, I do get reminded of some of the things I enjoyed. I liked how they portrayed Emma as "do what it takes to get it done," even if it meant once kicking Leech in the head to knock him out so she'd get her powers back. ("I'm sorry, Miz Frost." "So am I, Leech." *THWACK*)

I also liked the brief storyline involving what happened to Toad after Magneto's "death," Skin's battle with the X-Cutioner, and the storyline where Bastion tried to "break" Jubilee to get her to tell him everything about the X-men. Hated Bachalo's art, though, since even Emma Frost looked like she was 13 years old (and yet, I loved his book The Witching Hour. Go fig.) ...I'm still not sure what the deal with Mondo was.

Also, never let it be said I don't share the horror: http://luchins.com/what-were-they-think ... _SJ1fV63To

[Woodclaw]

See, that's the part I never got. Their parents never noticed that their twin daughters (one of whom was autistic) suddenly went missing? Or was it just a comedy movie trope that you never saw Monet and the twins at the same time?

The thing is, I don't know who to blame for this bad storytelling. Was it Scott Lobdell's idea from the beginning? James Robinson? Larry Hama?

Don't ask, I really, really never got that.
As far as I know that part of the story was made up in a rush after Marvel rejected the original idea of M being only a composite of the twins.
Yes, you read that right Monet was originally meant to be a fake identity created by the merged twins and not a real person at all.

[Arkrite]

And Penance was supposed to be something completely unrelated to M's family.

The worst part? Somebody out there probably still thinks that carwreck of an idea was an amazing twist :~P

Jubilee was always one of my favorites, I wasn't around to catch Shadowcat so I never really understood why people preffered her to Jubs.
And, frighteningly enough, it does appear that the eighties fashion seems to be coming back to life. At least in Edmonton...

Honestly, though, I'm not sure you can do Jubilee without the coat and some sunglasses, they're the only parts of the costume that really seem to follow her.
It is a shame that nobody really writes her in a fashion that'd make her an acceptable character after all these years. Lots of potential, but nobody really runs with it.

... And is it just me or is every superhero given the "potentially most dangerous person on planet" label at least once in their lifetime?

Heck, I think I've heard somebody say it about Spiderman! Mostly because he knows everybody in the setting (Spiderman's hidden superpower: Networking!)

[HustlerOne]

Honestly, I didn't particularly care for Jubilee but then again, I thought Shadowcat was a waste of ink as well.

I'm a fan of Jubilee because of the X-Men cartoon back in the nineties. Granted she can be annoying at
times. Still what did you expect from a teenage character?

I'm surprised that someone here is not a fan of Shadowcat. She's one of the few female X-Men that's not
Superhot or all powerful. I like her character because she's like the cute little sister in the family. She has a
good power that's not overwhelming and Deus Ex Machina like Jean Grey's, Rogue's, and Storm's powers were.

[Jabroniville]

Kitty had the appeal of being the Cute Nerdy Girl who was more approachable and relatable because she didn't have giganto-boobs (and this was the era where even the busty women were usually C-Cups), and acted like a normal person. She had the same appeal the New Mutants did, particularly because she was still cranky and rebellious ("Professor Xavier is a JERK!"). This made her a good Fan Insert for girls (remember when teenage girls read comics?) because she acted like how a lot of them would act in that situation, and a good Fictional Girlfriend for teenage males, who knew deep-down that Storm or She-Hulk were way too old/powerful/fantasy-based for them. Nobody knows people like Storm, She-Hulk or Emma Frost, but MANY people know a Kitty, and many teen fans thought THEY ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE A SHOT WITH HER. It's hard to beat that appeal.

Jubes was supposed to be the same kind of thing (she was flat-chested, mouthy and relatable- early issues had her being mistaken for a boy several times), but they went too far into the Annoying Valley Girl Mall-Rat characterization (which, as I've stated, was one of the things the New Mutants got RIGHT- they portrayed real, varied teens instead of a bunch of vapid pop-culture-sponges). In the X-Men comics I have, she's usually a non-combatant who just makes running commentary over everything, while yapping non-stop using weird Teen Slang (she uses the word "def" in situations where it is not called for, says "rilly" for "really" and "shoor" instead of "sure")- it's like the in-character annoyingness of Cyclone, but taking away all of the things that make Cyclone the greatest character in comic book history .

PLUS they rarely depict her as annoying in-comic- you'd think someone woulda punted her a few issues in, the way she's portrayed. Even Cyclone gets eye-rolls and people getting crabby at her. It wasn't until Gen-X that characters really started going "Shut UP, Jubilee!" from what I've read- and that was usually because she acted like her X-Men days made her smarter than everybody else ("When *I* was with the X-Men...").

Jubilee sticks out like a sore thumb in that X-toon these days, too- people who look back on it (or watch it for the first time) are like "WTF? What's up with this early-90s character who's not in the comics?!" because the producers had no idea she wasn't going to have any kind of a shelf-life (not to mention the outfit- and yes, it's tragic that the only recognizable parts of her look are based off of dated fashion-sense- it's why you don't design your heroes with modern fashion in mind- think of all the trenchcoat guys). Any other show uses Kitty Pryde in that kind of a situation, though the movies transformed Rogue into that kind of character role instead.

[Skavenger]

I didn't read much X-Men until later, so I only really got to see Kitty Pryde during her "I'm PERFECT in EVERY WAY" period. You need a master computer programmer? Kitty Pryde's here! You need an emotional lynchpin for a team? Kitty Pryde's here! You need a master martial artist? Kitty! Born leader? Kitty! The ultimate love object for self-insertions of the writers (*cough*PeteWisdom*cough*)? Kitty! Honestly, I got sick of her really fast, and it wasn't until I sat down and read some older comics (the "JERK!" one and others) that I started to appreciate her.

Songbird's still higher on my "comic crush" list, though.

Jubilee sticks out like a sore thumb in that X-toon these days, too- people who look back on it (or watch it for the first time) are like "WTF? What's up with this early-90s character who's not in the comics?!" because the producers had no idea she wasn't going to have any kind of a shelf-life (not to mention the outfit- and yes, it's tragic that the only recognizable parts of her look are based off of dated fashion-sense- it's why you don't design your heroes with modern fashion in mind- think of all the trenchcoat guys). Any other show uses Kitty Pryde in that kind of a situation, though the movies transformed Rogue into that kind of character role instead.

"Does a mall babe eat chili fries?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inuWR2wlLXA

To be fair, looking at the X-Men in the cartoon, there were a lot of characters I thought had image issues. I'm still not sure exactly what Gambit used to wear into battle, Jean's costume sucked (though, her costumes always sucked, so that's like complaining that a garbage barge "was kind of smelly"), Storm was so overdramatic I thought her voice actress was going to pull a muscle...really, the only character I actually enjoyed was Beast, and he spent the first season locked up.

Jubes was supposed to be the same kind of thing (she was flat-chested, mouthy and relatable- early issues had her being mistaken for a boy several times)

There's one page from a comic I've seen where Jubilee is in a room with Wolverine, Psylocke, and Black Widow. She looks at Psylocke, glances down at her own chest, and then starts to sulks. To be fair, I'm amazed most of the X-Men males didn't sprain their necks with whiplash every time Psylocke did a jump-kick. Cannonball should've been distracted all the time.

[Grayson]

Well, I don't want to distract from Jab's fine work with his builds but since the X- men cartoon was brought up...I did really like it and I still do. Yeah, it's a bit on the silly side but hey, it was the early 1990's. I found Jubilee about as annoying in the show as I did in the comics. Fortunately, it was pretty easy to tune her out after awhile. Storm would crack me up. I swear that woman could not summon a fog without giving a speech. The only time she just shut up and did something was when there was big throw down and the theme music was playing and drowning out her big mouth. My friends and I would use a mock Storm voice to come up with different speeches for weather alterations just to make fun of her. The character I probably liked the most was Rogue, even though I was never all that taken with her in the comics. I was never a Wolverine fan and the cartoon did nothing to change that. Cyclops, Gambit, Xavier and Magento were alright. I really liked the Jean character. The outfit doesn't really bother me as much as it does other people but man did she seem weak as hell, especially in the beginning. The best thing about the cartoon was that they didn't make that cow Psylocke a main character!

[Jabroniville]

(LOL, as you were typing that "not to distract" thing, I was posting a giganto-rant about it. Don't worry about it )

Speaking of Jean's costume issues- Marvel Girl was a CLASSIC generic "60s Super-Heroine" design with the pointy mask and the skirt, so I don't mind it so much- it's almost quaint in it's generic appeal. It got sillier as time went on (it fits better on a teen, not a grown woman), so by the '70s she didn't look right. Phoenix was a GREAT costume, though, and only improved itself with Dark Phoenix. I didn't mind her '80s Marvel Girl outfit (the full "X" bodysuit with the mask)- she's actually the only member of the team to pull that look off well, since she had the cool red tights instead of neutral blues & greens.

'90s Jean was just an insufferable collection of '90s Jim Lee Costume Tropes, with the mask that doesn't cover the face or the hair, the pockets for no apparent reason (what was Jean using thigh-pockets for? At least Cable & Deadpool used TOOLS), etc. Hell, the stupid outfit is basically skin-tight ONESIE PAJAMAS. The ponytail doesn't really help, either. Someone here once commented that it almost seems like Jim Lee gave her a deliberately bad design so that fans would automatically flock to his new Psylocke design (a.k.a. a colour-switched Elektra costume) as "The Team's Hot Chick", or even his Rogue one. And it got used FOR THE TV SHOW, making it look even worse.

But the X-Men cartoon is a weird collection of 1990s-based stuff, too, which is funny because they retold A LOT of "Classic" X-Men stories at the same time. Every other X-related thing uses Kitty, Nightcrawler & Colossus in bigger roles, yet the X-Toon stuck with basically the Blue Strike Force plus Storm & Jean, effectively giving us a squad of Jim Lee's favourite characters instead of MANY of the "Classic" X-Men, and everyone has the then-current Jim Lee Redesign.

This is doubly bizarre when you consider how Jubilee & Gambit got dropped over the years, and how prominent they are here. At least Rogue and the others are still big names on the X-Books. Then you look at the high-profile Bishop & Cable stories compared to one-off episode guys like Nightcrawler or Colossus (or even the then-huge Psylocke, who really seems conspicuous by her absense on the team in the 'toon, given the time period), who are WAY bigger names in X-History. Most of the other X-characters only got an episode or two of focus as "Mutants of the Week". Though it's entertaining to watch it now and see all the "Can you spot the D-League Jobber in the Background" scenes, like Tusk joining a town of mutants or something.

The voice acting could be iffy. Logan is EXACTLY how I would imagine him speaking, and Xavier is quite good (though I still find it funny that they pronounce it "Ehggs-Avier" given that the name is supposed to be "Zavier", but that's fallen to almost all X-media since), and Cyclops is an effective Generic Leader Guy. Beast is nice, too. Jean was quite generic, Storm was a GIGANTIC ham ("I SHALL MEET YOU AT THE MONORAIL!"), Jubilee was annoying, Rogue got screechy on occasion (though played a Southern Belle quite well- I remember fans writing in to "X-Men Adventures" going "hey, is she really supposed to sound like that?" since most Americans hadn't seen a character like that on TV in years), and Gambit kinda came across as skeevy. Magneto was good, but many villains were over-electronicized.

That said, the cartoon has just about the best balance of "Wolverine (vs) Everyone Else" that any X-Toon has ever had, and used many characters quite well. Their Magneto was EXCELLENT, and I especially loved the Master Mold episode where he gets injured, yells at the team for running off to stop Sentinels in a hopeless fight ("The brave are always the FIRST to die..."), then flies in anyways to save his old friend Xavier. It's also one of the better "Take the comics and adapt them to the screen" cases I've ever seen- most shows only skirt the basics (like Secret Wars in "Spider-Man", or the many Symbiote stories than now run totally differently), but X-Men straight-up adapted MANY stories quite faithfully, only dropping some necessary things or minor plot points. I don't recall their Days of Future Past (though I think they did one), but their Dark Phoenix Saga was quite nice.

[Jabroniville]

SKIN (Angelo Espinosa)
Created By: Scott Lobdell & Chris Bachalo
First Appearance: The Uncanny X-Men #316 (Sept. 1994)
Role: Mr. Fantastic Lite, The Bad Boy
Group Affiliations: Generation X
PL 8 (104)
STRENGTH 3 STAMINA 4 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 10 DEXTERITY 5
INTELLIGENCE 1 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 1

Skills:
Acrobatics 2 (+6)
Athletics 4 (+7)
Deception 6 (+7)
Expertise (Gang Member) 6 (+7)
Insight 2 (+4)
Intimidation 5 (+6)
Perception 3 (+5)

Advantages:
Chokehold, Daze (Intimidation), Equipment (X-Men Uniform- Protection & Communications), Evasion, Fast Grab, Improved Defense, Improved Disarm, Improved Grab, Improved Initiative, Improved Hold, Improved Trip, Ranged Attack 2, Startle, Takedown, Taunt

Powers:
"Mutant Powers: Extra Six Feet of Skin"
Elongation 1 [1]
Enhanced Strength 3 (Flaws: Limited to Grapples) [3]

Offense:
Unarmed +10 (+3 Damage, DC 18)
Grapples +10 (+6 Damage, DC 21)
Initiative +8

Defenses:
Dodge +10 (DC 20), Parry +10 (DC 20), Toughness +4 (+5 Costume), Fortitude +5, Will +5

Complications:
Prejudice (Obvious Mutant)- Skin has very droopy skin that is usually out of his control. Plus he's grey.
Responsibility (Ex-Gang Member)- Angelo was a pretty bad guy early on, and his past comes back to haunt him once in a while- his old gang wanted him dead, and The X-Cutioner assumed that the mutant Skin had murdered Angelo Espinosa (Angelo had faked his death).

Total: Abilities: 60 / Skills: 28--14 / Advantages: 16 / Powers: 4 / Defenses: 10 (104)

-Skin is another "Deformed Mutant" character, and appears shockingly weak for a book that was focused on uber-mutant teens- he's basically Mister Fantastic Lite, but worse in every possible way- an ex-gang member who has six extra feet of skin, meaning he can't even really elongate his bone structure or do all the cool things Mr. Fantastic can- he just kinda grabs guys and holds on real tight. As probably the most-forgettable member of the team, Skin was killed off in a laughably-casual manner by The Friends of Humanity (a token anti-mutant bigot group), who crucified him alongside Magma, Jesse Bedlam and a bunch of nameless background characters- everyone recovered BUT SKIN, leaving Jubilee (herself a minor background nobody by that point) to mourn his death. And after that, we pretty much never heard a word about him, aside from some deal where he got dug up & cremated because it was against a graveyard's religion to inter a mutant.

-It's actually a little tough to figure out how tough Skin is supposed to be, or how exactly he's supposed to be reaching any kind of Power Level- he's just kind of a weak guy who can stretch a bit (costing only a single point). I figure he's better at grapples because of his powers, which is the only PL 8 aspect of the character. He's also the best fighter of his team, save Penance.

[Jabroniville]

Every woman on "X-Factor" dresses like this. And they love Jamie Madrox, because he's Peter David's own Mary Sue/Wannabe Fan Insert.

M (Monet or Nicole & Claudette St. Croix)
Created By: Scott Lobdell & Chris Bachalo
First Appearance: The Uncanny X-Men #316 (Sept. 1994)
Role: The Bitchy Rich Girl, Bitch With A Heart of Gold, Super-Power Lottery Winner, Flying Brick
Group Affiliations: Generation X, X-Corps, X-Factor Investigations
PL 10 (178)
STRENGTH 10 STAMINA 8 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 9 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 5 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 0

Skills:
Acrobatics 2 (+9)
Deception 5 (+5, +7 Attractive)
Expertise (Current Events) 4 (+11)
Intimidation 5 (+5)
Investigation 5 (+6)
Perception 3 (+4)
Technology 4 (+9)

Advantages:
Attractive, Beginner's Luck, Benefit (Personal Wealth), Diehard, Eidetic Memory, Jack-of-All-Trades, Languages 2 (Many), Ranged Attack 4

Powers:
"Mutant Powers: Superpower Lottery"
Flight 8 (500 mph) [16]
Protection 2 [2]
Regeneration 5 [5]
Immunity 2 (Disease, Poison) [2]
Senses 3 (Low-Light Vision, Extended Hearing & Vision) [3]

"Low-Level Telepathy"
Mind Control 6 (Feats: Extended Reach 2) (Flaws: Touch Range -2) (14) -- [15]

AE: "Telepathy" Communication 1 (Mental) (Feats: Reach 2) (Flaws: Touch Range -2) Linked to Mind-Reading 6 (Feats: Reach 2) (Flaws: Touch Range -2) (9)

"Mind Shield" Enhanced Will Save 4 (Flaws: Limited to Mental Attacks) [2]

Offense:
Unarmed +9 (+10 Damage, DC 25)
Mind Control +9 (+6 Affliction, DC 16)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +9 (DC 19), Parry +9 (DC 19), Toughness +10, Fortitude +8, Will +6 (+10 vs. Mental Attacks)

Complications:
Reputation (Giant Bitch)
Relationship (Family)- Her brother Emplate is evil, and her sisters merge together to become her, except when they don't. Don't ask.
Disabled (Autistic)- Though it makes her a super-genius (because autism is totally a superpower, yo), sometimes it makes her comatose and non-responsive, because one of the St. Croix twins was autistic.

Total: Abilities: 96 / Skills: 28--14 / Advantages: 12 / Powers: 45 / Defenses: 11 (178)

-M is the winner of one of the most dubious awards in all of comics: the most inane, bizarre, overly complex origin story in the history of the medium. Seriously, every time I read what it was, I pretty much forget it because it was so complicated. See, she was M, and a teammate was named Penance. Then it turned out that Penance was actually M, and M was actually her two sisters, who had merged to MAKE M, because they didn't want their father to lose his favourite daughter. Then they switched positions to make the twins Penance, and Monet became M for real, but then the twins left Penance and she became hollow. Or something. It was totally retarded, and made the Generation X book look silly (I mean, try explaining that origin story to anyone, comic fan or not). Marvel has calmly resorbed that book into it's X-line, having given up on many members (Jubilee, Skin, Penance & Synch), while adding a few more to short runs on other X-teams (Husk, M, Chamber), which always bugged me, because the far superior in EVERY WAY New Mutants ended up with so few "Graduates".

-M is currently on "X-Factor Investigations", Peter David's new love letter to Marvel's D-League Mutants, and you don't have to ASK David to write snide, bitchy characters, so it's a match made in heaven right there. She plays into the whole "Bitchy to hide her true feelings from everyone" aspect, making pretty good friends with most of the same people she makes fun of (sorta like a sitcom character), in addition to being one of the more powerful members of the team (and most versatile).

-M has a pretty boring power set, being a balanced Flying Brick with some Immunities, and various other side powers. She's rather limited in combat to pounding away at stuff, but she has low-level, short-range Telepathy, a Mind Shield, etc. A very weird little build, and I figure her for PL 9.5 these days- she's quite powerful, but doesn't stand out as that much tougher than, say, Ultra Girl.



M (Monet or Nicole & Claudette St. Croix)- Generation X Version
Created By: Scott Lobdell & Chris Bachalo
First Appearance: The Uncanny X-Men #316 (Sept. 1994)
Role: The Bitchy Rich Girl, Bitch With A Heart of Gold, Super-Power Lottery Winner, Flying Brick
Group Affiliations: Generation X, X-Corps, X-Factor Investigations
PL 9 (170)
STRENGTH 9 STAMINA 8 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 7 DEXTERITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 5 AWARENESS 1 PRESENCE 0

Skills:
Acrobatics 2 (+9)
Deception 5 (+5)
Expertise (Current Events) 4 (+11)
Intimidation 5 (+5)
Investigation 5 (+6)
Perception 3 (+4)
Technology 4 (+9)

Advantages:
Attractive, Beginner's Luck, Benefit (Personal Wealth), Close Attack, Diehard, Eidetic Memory, Jack-of-All-Trades, Languages 2 (Many), Ranged Attack 4

Powers:
"Mutant Powers: Superpower Lottery"
Flight 8 (500 mph) [16]
Protection 2 [2]
Regeneration 5 [5]
Immunity 2 (Disease, Poison) [2]
Senses 3 (Low-Light Vision, Extended Hearing & Vision) [3]

"Low-Level Telepathy"
Mind Control 6 (Feats: Extended Reach 2) (Flaws: Touch Range -2) (14) -- [15]
AE: "Telepathy" Communication 1 (Mental) (Feats: Reach 2) (Flaws: Touch Range -2) Linked to Mind-Reading 6 (Feats: Reach 2) (Flaws: Touch Range -2) (9)
"Mind Shield" Enhanced Will Save 4 (Flaws: Limited to Mental Attacks) [2]

Offense:
Unarmed +9 (+10 Damage, DC 25)
Mind Control +9 (+6 Affliction, DC 16)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +7 (DC 17), Parry +7 (DC 17), Toughness +10, Fortitude +8, Will +5 (+9 vs. Mental Attacks)

Complications:
Reputation (Giant Bitch)
Relationship (Family)- Her brother Emplate is evil, and her sisters merge together to become her, except when they don't. Don't ask.
Disabled (Autistic)- Though it makes her a super-genius (because autism is totally a superpower, yo), sometimes it makes her comatose and non-responsive, because one of the St. Croix twins was autistic.

Total: Abilities: 90 / Skills: 28--14 / Advantages: 13 / Powers: 45 / Defenses: 8 (170)

-M is the toughest of Gen-X even back then, being a pretty-tough Flying Brick character.

[Skavenger]

I only collect the trades, but so far I've really enjoyed Peter David's X-Factor. I like the noir flavor it keeps falling back on by actually having them investigate problems instead of just showing up and fighting people, I like how it lampshades the fact that everyone on the team seems to be snarky, and how even things like how M dresses gets called out (when Pip the troll tells you to "put those away, even I'm tired of seeing them" you know you need to cover up more.

Couple of thoughts: Monet might need a couple benefit ranks. Her father's a diplomat, and while I'm not sure if she has diplomatic immunity, she is able to summon a private jet on a whim to take her and Siryn shopping in Paris, plus buy iPhones for everyone on the team. Also I don't think she had an autistic episode since she became herself instead of the twins (it hurts to sound that sentence out in my head!). It might not be a complication since its only come up in recent years, but Monet is also Muslim, and wasn't afraid to proclaim being part of "the two most hated groups in the country" in front of a protest group.

She also once made a guy hallucinate that everyone around him was a young woman he murdered, getting him to confess. Would that fall under mind control or would it be an illusion power?

[prodigyduck]

I couldn't stand M in the comics. She seemed like such a Mary-Sue character with all the plots that revolved around her and her "sisters". Plus, her powers made no sense, when compaired to other mutants (but that's been a growing problem in recent years).

My friend ran an X-Men game that only lasted two sessions. We eventually figured out what M actually was: A KREE SPY!

Think about it. Almost all of the flying bricks in Marvel have their origin in the Kree.

[Woodclaw]

I couldn't stand M in the comics. She seemed like such a Mary-Sue character with all the plots that revolved around her and her "sisters". Plus, her powers made no sense, when compaired to other mutants (but that's been a growing problem in recent years).

Secondary mutation, screwing up any attempt to write characters consistently for you delight.

My friend ran an X-Men game that only lasted two sessions. We eventually figured out what M actually was: A KREE SPY!

Think about it. Almost all of the flying bricks in Marvel have their origin in the Kree.

The sad thing is that this makes more sense than anything they've done with M over the years...

[BlindPugh]

Whatever was wrong with Generation X it was the one book where you could find Banshee every month, that alone was enough to keep me reading. Emma was enough snarky icing to cover up most of the book's other problems & to my eternal shame I always had a soft spot for Jubilee.

[Thorpacolypse]

Whatever was wrong with Generation X it was the one book where you could find Banshee every month, that alone was enough to keep me reading. Emma was enough snarky icing to cover up most of the book's other problems & to my eternal shame I always had a soft spot for Jubilee.

Don't feel bad, BP. I, too, suffer from non-hatred of Jubilee. I thought she was fun for her time.

And besides, comic writers have stumblied mightily when writing "youngsters", minorities and oftentimes, women in general since the dawn of comics. Can't blame poor Jubilee for that!