Defenders (Closed)

[Nineofspades]

Um, hound, its create object. Meaning I can shape the water into basic forms. I shape such that it dosn't flow into our room.

[Hound]

Um, hound, its create object. Meaning I can shape the water into basic forms. I shape such that it dosn't flow into our room.

you create a square of water.


it is still water. SO once the "effect of beign create" is done, iy acts like normal water.

If you had Elemental Control Water, you could keep it in a square.

[Nineofspades]

Sorry, but what? I'm entirely certain that is not how create object works.

[Hound]

think about it logically. I create a chair? Okay.

I create water.... no cup? You just made a mess.

Since your create and move object water are in in an array, you have to switch powers. So in the "round time" between switching, it spreads out all over the place. You can use your move object to make hte water flow back in the room.

But are you really going to be an Aquawoman that kills?

[Nineofspades]

Aquaman kills all the time. Its part of what makes him a Boss.

From the Gamebook

You can form solid objects essentially out of nowhere.
They may be made of solidified energy, “hardened” water
or air, transmuted bulk matter, ice, stone, or some other
medium, depending on the effect’s descriptors.

I put a layer of solid hard water around the outer edge of the liquid inner water.

[Hound]

Okay. the way I read this:

You can form solid objects essentially out of nowhere.
They may be made of solidified energy, “hardened” water
or air, transmuted bulk matter, ice, stone, or some other
medium, depending on the effect’s descriptors.

Means when you craft a Whip you can say it is made of hard water. This is just a descriptor. This is like saying I used my "create" power to make a sword of pure fire. Its still treated like a normal sword.

You limtied your self to creating water. Which, to me, seems like you just create normal ocean water out of no where.

I understand your position, so I am going to outsource this problem to more experienced Game Masters, and see what they say.

[Walking Dad]

Hey Hound, sorry to bother you at this moment, but may I lower dodge by 2 points and increase parry by 2? I will still never hit the PL caps, but it would make the character more well rounded. I didn't note the discrepancy before (my fault for starting with an already made build).

I made the changes to the sheet, but take them back if you veto. Thanks!

[Hound]

Hey Hound, sorry to bother you at this moment, but may I lower dodge by 2 points and increase parry by 2? I will still never hit the PL caps, but it would make the character more well rounded. I didn't note the discrepancy before (my fault for starting with an already made build).

I made the changes to the sheet, but take them back if you veto. Thanks!

thats fine, just ask me first next time.

[Shock]

Create Object with water works like Create Object with anything else. You can't create a shell of hard water with liquid water in the middle any more than you could fill a room with lava with an outer shell of rock.

But if you create a chair out of water, it remains in the form of a chair until you stop maintaining the effect (or switch the array). Create with Continuous means that the chair remains a chair even if you switch the array but you can still dismiss it as normal.

[Hound]

Create Object with water works like Create Object with anything else. You can't create a shell of hard water with liquid water in the middle any more than you could fill a room with lava with an outer shell of rock.

But if you create a chair out of water, it remains in the form of a chair until you stop maintaining the effect (or switch the array). Create with Continuous means that the chair remains a chair even if you switch the array but you can still dismiss it as normal.

So... here is her post:

Aquawoman
HP 1


My fellows are quick to come to my aid, and combined, its none to difficult to create a decent opening. The effort is rewarded right away with a laser blast coming through, my reflexes allowing me time to duck aside. While I didn't have enough time to see what exactly is on the other side, its not to hard now to tell that its an enemy. "Big mistake" I say, letting the poor A.I.M. grunts know the folly of their action. From my trident, I summon a great mass of water, flooding the security chamber to the brim with salt water. "Lets see how fierce they are without air"

Create Water Object, Toughness 0, Volume 8, to fill the entire security booth with water. Not entirly sure how this works out from a rule's perspective, but it should be doable enough.

All she describes to me, is filling the entire room with water. She doesn't say anything else.

So I described the room filling with water, then part of it flooding through the hole in the door into where they are standing. Honestly, I don't think I am wrong. The way she wrote her use of her power, is how I responded. And what I did with the water seems logical.

[Nineofspades]

By 'Fill the inside with water' I meant creating a volume of water shaped to occupy the entire space of the room.


Allow me to further expand on my thought process. I added the power with the intention of using it to create freestanding masses of water, within which she would be at a large advantage, and thus help mitigate the relitive uselessness of being Aqua woman when away from the ocean. So, In my mind, I pictured her being able to create a giant cube of water in the middle of the battlefield, which stays as a cube of water until she decides otherwise.

That is my thought process.

[Hound]

I get what you are trying to do, but it just doesn't seem logical you can create a square of water and it stays in a square but still be "soft" and able to be swam in like normal water with out some sort of secondary skill keeping it in a square shape.

I sent off several Pm's to people I know to be experienced GM's to try and get their opinion on the matter, because I don't want to be unfair to you.

It just seems... weird to me. So I want clearification.

[EPIC]

Does your Create have selective on it? That would give it a liquid property that it could be moved about within the object like water while maintaining a solid form.

Then you maintain the water shape, but can pass through like water.

[Walking Dad]

Wouldn't this been a bit powerful for a flat 1 PP extra? Creating a large solid block in which you move normally (even getting a bonus from aquatic abilities) and all while the other array powers available?

[Hound]

Alternate Power: Bring Forth The Sea (Create Object 9 Extras: Continuous (+1) Flaws: Proportional (-1)) [18PP] (Summoning up a great mass of water)

That's her power.