Dark Twilight! [OOC]

[Kevin_MacTaggert]

Logan Build adjusted. Funny = how long it takes to handle canon builds. Honestly, ATT members should read comics more.

I downgraded the Sentinels based on " Onslaught Saga " source material.

House-Rules as I know ;

- Knockback stacked on 2nd Degree + Toughness Fails ( Damage rank - Toughness rank - Size Mods = Distance rank )

- Lethal Damage ( Sentinels/LAw-Enforcemment/Player Fiat ) 3rd Degree Toughness Failure = Staggered and Disabled, 4th Degree Toughness Failure = Incapacitated and Dying, 5th Degree Toughness Failure + = Dead

- Advantage stacking is Disallowed, beyond -2/+2 Manuever adjustments combined with an Advantage

- Hero Points can be awarded if the PC need one, but a temporary Complication ( Disability or Power Loss ) is stacked with the Hero Point

- certain Effects limited to Power Stunts/Extra Effort

[Sakuro]

Everyone has a view on how a canon character should be. If it takes more time, its because the player and GM have divergent visions and need to negotiate something they're both comfortable with. Which is why I don't even try to make an iconic build. Just keep to the spirit of the character, and put my spin on it.

[Mark Reuter]

Also the link to my character is on page 41 of this thread. You've linked to Sakuro's original build. Based on what I have heard from the other players and the GMs regarding Hulk's regeneration, I believe I will up the regeneration and get rid of Impervious. I am not at a computer right now, but I will make the changes in the morning.

[Mark Reuter]

OK final tweaking done! To quote Tony Stark: "We have a Hulk!" He can be found here

Basically, I gave the Hulk regeneration 8, persistent, and when he Hulks Out, it jumps to Regeneration 10, persistent. He no longer has Impervious Toughness. This better reflects his ability to shrug off damage from a number of sources, not just those that affect Toughness, such as Wolvie's claws, which still can do some damage to him.

[Mark Reuter]

If you read too many comics though, ICONIC goes right out the window. I will tell you that I have read a LOT of Flash comics and there isn't one ability in my build that the Flash in the comics hasn't pulled off more than once. Iconic means different things for different folks because some of us read a lot of comics as a kid but not so much anymore as an adult. So what is Iconic for me may not be Iconic for you. If all you ever read about the Hulk was when he was the Green Scar Hulk, your perceptions of his ICONIC abilities might be totally different than someone who was familiar with World War Hulk (Or Sunset Hulk, etc.).

[Mark Reuter]

OK so you don't have to go searching all over this thread for the characters, I have posted them on the first page in my first post on that page, which is located here. If I have screwed up and linked to the wrong version of your character, please let me know.

[timothy]

If you read too many comics though, ICONIC goes right out the window. I will tell you that I have read a LOT of Flash comics and there isn't one ability in my build that the Flash in the comics hasn't pulled off more than once. Iconic means different things for different folks because some of us read a lot of comics as a kid but not so much anymore as an adult. So what is Iconic for me may not be Iconic for you. If all you ever read about the Hulk was when he was the Green Scar Hulk, your perceptions of his ICONIC abilities might be totally different than someone who was familiar with World War Hulk (Or Sunset Hulk, etc.).

Hulk is one of the harder characters to assign powers to because he has gone through so many different iterations. And, considering the first comic I remember owning was FF #3, I agree completely with your overall assessment of the problem with 'iconic' builds.

[SuperCracker]

Honestly, characters have powers depending on who is writing them.

[Mark Reuter]

Honestly, characters have powers depending on who is writing them.

I agree, which is why it is so difficult to define "iconic", since superheroes undergo changes all the time, depending on who is writing them, the era, etc.

[SuperCracker]

Honestly, characters have powers depending on who is writing them.

I agree, which is why it is so difficult to define "iconic", since superheroes undergo changes all the time, depending on who is writing them, the era, etc.

That's why I argue for separating game mechanics from comic lore just a bit. Otherwise you have the power of plot device all the time.

[Mark Reuter]

I tried to do that with the Hulk a little bit. I made him weaker when he is "playing nice with banner", to show that his strength is fueled by his rage, not when he is doing math. That's iconic. And then I gave him regeneration because a lot of the players and at least one GM said that that was iconic. To me, it comes down to descriptors. You can give the Hulk impervious toughness and put the descriptor down as "regeneration". Or vice versa. Which is what I did.

[dreamking89]

Just an FYI, I edited my original character post to match the later changes to Fenrir.

[Mark Reuter]

Just an FYI, I edited my original character post to match the later changes to Fenrir.

So the link on the first page is right or do I have to change it?

[Belial666]

Umm, unless I am looking at an older sheet of Fenrir Doomson (I am looking at the one in p45), this seems off;

Clawed Gauntlets:
Fighting 7 plus skill 8 = attack +15. Strength 11 plus strike 8 = damage 19. This is PL17.
Laser Blasts:
Dexterity 4 plus skill 12 plus accurate 2 = attack +20. Damage 15. This is PL17,5.


Since you guys are all putting him down as offensive PL 15, I assume his OPL got added up wrong or that his hitting harder in melee than Black Adam or an enraged Hulk and harder at range than Kara and Green Lantern was unintentional.


@Mark Reuter:
The link on all lists so far links to the p12 sheet. Latest sheet is on page 45.

[Mark Reuter]

The links on p. 45 were the links I was using for my page 1 links (except for the Hulk and Wolverine because I knew those two were wrong.)