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DCA, 4 Books and BEYOND?!?!

Postby Hellstormer1 » Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:27 pm

I was in the H&V Vol. 1 topic trying to think of how to put this idea forth, when I figured it would do better as s new topic...

Idea/Question: If the DC line of books continues to be a success, even after all four are released, could it go further? More books past the four?

If so, what could these books be? More character books, like Heroes & Villains Vol. 1 & 2? Are there enough characters left to make another of these books?

What about books on specific parts of the DCU, or the 52?

What do you think people? What would YOU like to see past DC Adventures Heroes Handbook, Heroes & Villains Vol. 1&2, and DC Iniverse???
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Re: DCA, 4 Books and BEYOND?!?!

Postby Arthur Eld » Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:55 pm

I really, really doubt there will be more books. The deal was 4, and more is just not likely.
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Re: DCA, 4 Books and BEYOND?!?!

Postby Jameson » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:01 am

Given how difficult just these four books are proving I would think that GR would focus on the easier to produce and high profit of their own Freedomverse line of books.
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Re: DCA, 4 Books and BEYOND?!?!

Postby cassius335 » Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:27 am

Hellstormer1 wrote:I was in the H&V Vol. 1 topic trying to think of how to put this idea forth, when I figured it would do better as s new topic...

Idea/Question: If the DC line of books continues to be a success, even after all four are released, could it go further? More books past the four?

If so, what could these books be? More character books, like Heroes & Villains Vol. 1 & 2? Are there enough characters left to make another of these books?

What about books on specific parts of the DCU, or the 52?

What do you think people? What would YOU like to see past DC Adventures Heroes Handbook, Heroes & Villains Vol. 1&2, and DC Iniverse???


Rather than a full book, I think a DC version of the Threat Reports would be good, to take care of any characters who didn't make it into the 4 books.
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Re: DCA, 4 Books and BEYOND?!?!

Postby KnightErrantJR » Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:30 am

I also think the fact that the DCU has just relaunched, and DC doesn't seem too keen on revealing their in house timeline for what's in and what isn't, and when it happened, the time doesn't seem right for DC to expand the number of books in the DC Adventures line.
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Re: DCA, 4 Books and BEYOND?!?!

Postby Dark Koala » Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:05 pm

I'm afraid I have to agree, the prospect of the license being extended is pretty slim. I would actually be more hopeful of GR acquiring a whole new contract later on down the line with Marvel, but with the recent announcement of Marvel's own new tabletop game, I doubt that too. So yeah, I think this is probably all we're going to get, at least anytime in the near future.
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Re: DCA, 4 Books and BEYOND?!?!

Postby Hellstormer1 » Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:55 pm

To all the negative points, these are all very reasonable, understandable to a rational mind, and would make sense in a world where everyone has common sense. But in this world, money talks, a sucker is born every minute, and movies like Green Lantern get the "green light" for a sequel, both before AND after not making it's production/marketing costs back (it made it's production costs back, barely, but including marketing, it's a bust.).

And BTW, I wasn't asking what future products WOULD be. I was asking what everybody WANTS to see.
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Re: DCA, 4 Books and BEYOND?!?!

Postby UnkindMirror » Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:05 pm

As long as we're speaking about hypothetical products, I might be interested in a sourcebook detailing the DCU right at the start of the relaunch. Provides a nice snapshot of a host of characters at the same point in time instead of going for iconic versions, and ideally it would drop a lot of continuity-baggage.

Except for that one, I'd prefer GR to concentrate on their own Freedomverse, though.
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Re: DCA, 4 Books and BEYOND?!?!

Postby krypt0nian » Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:54 pm

With the reboot, I think the odds are slim to none.

Many more Freedomverse books would be great though!
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Re: DCA, 4 Books and BEYOND?!?!

Postby Foreshadow » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:52 pm

It has nothing to do with the reboot. GR made a choice only to do 4 books and could have done a deal to do more and the people involved are industry people who largely got the job because of their prior work (like Steve and Chris who actually worked on a prior DC rpg) and could have done a deal for more books. So hoping for more is like hoping for the second coming. Be thankful for the first coming and treat it like it is the good news. You don't really need more than those 4 books. You have a core rule book, 2 character books, a universe book. Want more: look up DC.wikia. Want maps? Goggle it. You don't absolutely need any of that.

If that was in the cards it would have been done in the initial plan. More than likely, GR would not want to anything about the reboot since that event, like most comic defining events is merely a temporary thing so any changes to the characters might simply be that. I don't know if you know this but both Captain America and Thor died recently (like 2 years ago). That's not long ago yet they are back and yes we now have essentially The Hero formerly known as Captain America and a Captain America now in the Heroic Age, and yes they seem to have this set up where they are franchising the Avengers but you could still make an iconic version of those Marvel characters and ignore all of that.

Whereas, the MWP approach to the new Marvel rpg will not be like that they specifically will have summer event sourcebooks and I think will do prior ones too like Civil War or the skrull invasion and they'll have a specific sourcebook.

Now would GR do a Blackest Night/Brightess Day or an Infinite Crisis sourcebook? They could and it would only be about that series of events and any changes to a character so that they might not need to put a whole write up for a character but rather tailored info.

But in a way that is running specifics about a campaign world and who knows how many people might want that. One assumes many but anyone is free to find an another already printed DC sourcebook to such events and using their nifty MnM core book and imagination they could easily do that. Sure it is nice for someone like Steve or Chris to compile information for you in a nice compact digestible form but apparently there are at least a good eight dozen capable writers on planet Earth who can do that same thing. You included more than likely.

If you want to play Blackest Night go for it you have stats for the Black Lanterns, make changes as you see fit.

Other than that, the sourcebook that might be viable is a targeted one like JSA where you really focus on just the JSA and fill it with history of them in detail and stat out minor charcters and odd villains that might have only seen one story line, plus maps of their HQ and all that. I love those sourcebooks but most of that info is commonly accessible and probably has been done in prior DC rpg's like the one that Steve and Chris worked on. Plus it gives new desire to finding and purchasing old books which is a boone to people who make business's like Noble Knight Games who want you to go and buy an old JSA sourcebook for 17 dollars form them and being good business people they might increase the price to 32 dollars knowing there is a higher demand. As good libertarian capitalist you would say 'good for them' and gladly fork over that extra money to support their effort.

I don't mind if more DCA books are made. Sure it would be great if it did but then after reading the new Cortex (found a pdf of it free) I think I like the system and will buy (invest) in the 16 sourcebooks if I like the first couple of books but I will continue to play and love MnM and know there will never be a Marvel Universe Adventures. Sucks for sure as it would have been great to have two four book sets (DCA/MUA) but oh well, I guess the gods did not fate it to be that way.

I found a way I think to convert from Cortex if I wish. That system is actually nice and has some similarities, like Plot points and a target number system that is similar. They both use target numbers and MnM has DC 40 set to impossible, Cortex 38 as a critical success impossible task. I suppose I could play the Cortex system and just increase the target needed by 2 so that they are both 40 = critical impossible success and yet Cortex seems to go by a 4 increment increase and MnM by a 5 increment increase (ie 12, 16, 20, 24, etc.) and (5, 10, 15, 20, 25, etc.) so they are mechanically similar. Though I think I like the idea if instead of two dice d12 + d6 to get the number I would want that added to a base number and that is one reason I like MnM's core mechanics. I read the intro for Cortex and basically the designer liked the experience of rolling multiple dice and why the core mechanic is designed to use them and you increase dice so you go up steps d2, d4, d6, d8, d12 and then instead of moving to d16 or d20 or d24 (yes there does exist dice for those) you double up so d12 + d2, d12 + d4, etc. so by step 12 you get d12 + d12. Since you have a target number of 31 lets say and you roll that I assume the Marvel game will have a guy like the hulk have 3d12 (d12 + d12 + d12) so that he can achieve a 36 but since hulk can actually achieve critically impossible strength feats for that he probably has even higher like 3d12 + d2 or something like that is my guess but I think if I used that system simply having a base bonus.

But beside the mechanic they will do a lot of sourcebooks unlike DCA and its been a while and right now the only marvel stuff I own is the old TSR stuff. I did own marvel saga and the MURPG and they had some of the avengers/x-men mansion and stuff (Reed Richard's guide is among the best for Marvel SAGA for this sort of thing) but I also still have the old DC rpg from Mayfair games Batman sourcebook.

Since GR won't produce something like a Batman or Superman or Lantern Corps sourcebooks anyone know of links to other ones, even if they aren't rpg related that has pics of all Batman's gadgets. I know there was a prior Batman rpg too. I personally would love a Gotham City boxset with the big fold out Gotham map on one side and the bat mansion and cave on the other in full color. The one I have from the old DC rpg (mayfair) has a map like that but its not gotham and it is in blue and white only.

Instead of a call for GR to produce such things it might be more fruitful to compile a list of links on the forum to products that can fulfill the need we are looking for (like maps of DC locations). Perhaps one of those people of the eight dozen good writers of the rpg industry can compile a list since when they work they go about finding such information sources in the first place to rewrite and compile it in a new sourcebook. I know they don't just go to DC.wikia to learn about batman they find other sources. What are those sources?
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Re: DCA, 4 Books and BEYOND?!?!

Postby danbuter » Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:42 pm

I would strongly prefer GR return to the Freedom City world. I like it a lot, and it's not held up by another corporation's approval process. I also suspect they make more money per book on Freedom products.

My biggest worry is that DC has some kind of managerial change and yanks the license before H&V2 is published.
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Re: DCA, 4 Books and BEYOND?!?!

Postby Dark Koala » Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:50 pm

danbuter wrote:My biggest worry is that DC has some kind of managerial change and yanks the license before H&V2 is published.


I don't know all the intricacies of the license, but I doubt that's possible unless GR did something to horribly violate the terms with the first H&V. And since all reports say that DC reviewed and approved the whole book, I think it's safe to assume that's not the case. Besides, distribution of the first book probably would have been halted if that were the case.

I too would rather see more Freedomverse stuff, but if they were to make more DCA books, I think it would be pretty cool to have sort of an alternate H&V, but with the Justice League Unlimited versions of characters. You could probably cram pretty much every character on the show into one book. A long shot, I admit, but as long as we're thinking wishfully, right?
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Re: DCA, 4 Books and BEYOND?!?!

Postby HustlerOne » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:26 pm

danbuter wrote:
My biggest worry is that DC has some kind of managerial change and yanks the license before H&V2 is published.


I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon. Green Ronin must have some stipulation in their contract to make sure they got 4 books. It would be awful if they at least didn't get H&V2 printed. Our DC adventures collection would be horribly incomplete without H&V2. :(
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Re: DCA, 4 Books and BEYOND?!?!

Postby Shadowchaser » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:50 am

I personally don't have a problem asking "What would you like to see?" As unlikely as future books in the series are, if you'd asked me two years ago if we'd ever see DC Comics characters in an official Green Ronin sourcebook I'd have thought it impossible as well.

As for what I'd like to see, I think I'd like to see a book on the "Ages" of the DC Universe, giving us alternate statblocks for some of the key characters. Seeing Batman statted out as he appeared in his earliest appearances, the 50's, 60's, 70's, and so on would be a fun resource for me. Same for Superman and the other 'focal' characters in the setting. Of course, I can write these up myself, but I think it'd be cool to see an official product tackle at least some of the variants of important characters. :)

Just pie-in-the-sky dreaming, of course. If I *really* had my 'druthers', I'd want a whole 1985 sourcebook with all the characters as I remember them! Especially the Teen Titans.
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Re: DCA, 4 Books and BEYOND?!?!

Postby The One Phil » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:00 am

Dark Koala wrote:
danbuter wrote: I think it would be pretty cool to have sort of an alternate H&V, but with the Justice League Unlimited versions of characters. You could probably cram pretty much every character on the show into one book. A long shot, I admit, but as long as we're thinking wishfully, right?


If I had to pick a 'book 5' then a DC Animated Universe sourcebook would be brilliant.

That said, I hope to god this doesn't happen. GR have done a great job with DC but I'd rather see them do a great job with some M&M releases.
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