The Crinoverse 3 (Ultima Thule)

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Re: The Crinoverse 3 (Golden Age Death's Head)

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Well, found a golden age superhero webcomic (The Specialists, Go read it. Read it now damn you!) And I realized something: While we have Wilhelm Kantor's team of super soldiers during the war, and also the guys from Fires of War, we neglect Count Reich's contribution to the German War machine.

Golden Age Death's head

Yes, Before it became the infamous nihilistic terrorist organization dedicated to death and destruction on a cosmic scale, Death's head was a "special projects"division to the SS. used to do jobs that were too "Difficult" for the SS. In practice they were terrorists who hunted down freedom fighters, launched terrorist attacks against the allies, and performed perverse rituals to give the Axis an edge over the Allies.

Unlike the other Ubersoldaten teams, Reich and his team were kept out of the limelight. They were too deranged, too broken, too strange to be used as propaganda pieces. This suited Reich just fine; He didn't care about the limelight, all he cared about was death and destruction on a massive scale.

Death's Head most infamous caper was an attempt to summon the Great Destroyer, an immensly powerful demon who would release a cosmic horror upon the world. This plan however was thwarted by the Allies, and only succeeded in bringing to Earth a young demon who would one day become the hero Hellboy. Hellboy would become Reich's most persistent enemy after he became undead.

But enough of this, onto the membership:

Count Reich: The most infamous of the Thule Society, Ludwig Von Mass, still human at this point, occupied a strange place in the Reich. Nobody, but nobody trusted the guy: The horror stories of the Mass family turned the stomach of even the Nazis, but time and again Reich proved himself too useful to the Reich to simply kill or imprison. And while he was strange and cruel, he served the Reich well, protecting Hitler from Magical attacks from British Druids and Roma sorcerers, and constantly digging up magical artifacts and creatures to aid the Reich.

That being said, Reich took the war as seriously as he takes anything else; He spent much of his off time watching American Propaganda cartoons (His favorite was the famous Disney short Der Furher's Face, which depicted Donald Duck as a Nazi factory worker). Ludwig was considered an embarrassment to the Reich at best and a mad dog at worst.

Reich finally perished during the final siege at Berlin, where he was shot in the back of the head by American soldiers with little fanfare. As most people know, Reich did not stay dead, cursed with undeath by Orkus until he succeeded in wiping out all life on Earth. Of course, Reich loved his horrible new body, and thus was in no great hurry to conduct his masters will.

Kroenen: Reich's number two, Karl Rupert Kroenen was a scientist and alchemist with a love of bizarre self modification, eventually turning himself into a Steampunk cyborg with bladed hands. Kroenen remained Reich's loyal bodyguard and confidant even after the war, and remained a member of Death's Head until his capture in the modern age at the hands of the Avengers.

Malekith the Accursed: While the other Thule mystics drew from Asgard to empower their minions, Count Reich drew from others of the Nine realms. In his case, he summoned Malekith, a dark elf with incredible dark powers. Malekith loathed Reich, but he served Reich until he was dispelled by Cagliostro in 1945.

Grimhilde: Arguably one of the most tragic of the Ubersoldaten, Beth Cowen was a young Jewish girl who was taken by Reich from a Jewish Ghetto and subjected to a mystical ritual which activated her meta gene. From then on, when subjected to Pain, she would transform into a huge, hulking monster who would kill everyone in her path. Forced to transform by a shock collar, Beth was forced to fight for Death's Head until she was rescued by the Sentinels near the end of the war. Unfortunately, the horror of what she had been forced to do was too much for her, and she eventually took her own life to protect the world from the monster within her.

Fafnir: Fann Nira was not a human, he was an advanced scout for the Thran Allegiance, sent to survey Earth for potential weaknesses and strength. Enamored with the Germans and Nazism, Fann adopted the name of the mythical Norse Dragon and joined Death's head. Fafnir was modified with superhuman strength and fire breath. After the war he returned to The Thran and reported his findings on humanity, and eventually he retired from military service and died years later in the Malvan Arena.

Die Maske: Harriet Engel was a metaman with shapeshifting abilities, able to mold her own flesh like clay, stretch, and form her flesh into weapons. Harriet was the spymaster of Death's Head, and was also Count Reich's lover for much of the war. After the war she remained with Death's head until she grew too old to be of use to Reich and was killed by the undead ghoul.

The SS Squid: A by product of an experimental nuclear sub, the SS Squid was a normal squid who was mutated by exposure to radiation, gaining the power to live on dry land, and gaining sapience and psychic powers. Learning about humanity by reading the minds of the crew of the U boat, the Squid eventually revealed itself and joined the Nazis, who crafted him a suit of battle armor. The Squid escaped justice after the war, sneaking to the US, he rebranded himself as the KK Kraken, and continues to menace heroes to this day.

Der Speer: Hogan Junker was a back street fighter who was selected to wield the legendary spear of Longinus, the mystical artifact which was used to pierce Christs chest, and made the wielder invincible.

...At least that's what he thought. In truth Hitler would never let the lance onto the field, especially not in the hands of Reich or one of his men. what Hogan had was a facsimile built by Reich. It served its purpose well enough; rendering Hogan virtually impervious to harm (Nothing short of the Centurion could even dent him), and gave him FISS powers. Unfortunately the spear also had a curse; if it ever used against Hogan, the first blow would be fatal. Hogan found this out the hard way during one fateful battle when the hero Anthem stole the spear from him and put it through his chest, killing him instantly.

Think that will do for now.

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Its funny because real life Hitler was a big fan of Disney cartoons. Yes, monsters can be strange at times.

I wonder exactly which Golden Age Nazi villain was the most despicable. You have Count Reich, Baron Heinreich Zemo, Red Skull, and Dr. Destroyer all vying for most evil.

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Phrozen wrote:Its funny because real life Hitler was a big fan of Disney cartoons. Yes, monsters can be strange at times.

I wonder exactly which Golden Age Nazi villain was the most despicable. You have Count Reich, Baron Heinreich Zemo, Red Skull, and Dr. Destroyer all vying for most evil.
Well I know Hitler liked Snow White, since it was based on a German fairy tale, I kinda doubt he was a fan of Disney's war propaganda though.

Anyways I think that for most evil, its neck and neck between Reich and Red Skull. Canonically Red Skull is the most evil a person can be without becoming a demon or the like, and Reich is that, AND he did become a literal monster.

As for Destroyer, remember at this time Zerostein was still a behind the scenes guy. He never actually stepped onto the battlefield, he was way too valuable for that. He stayed in his lab and worked to build better weapons for the Reich. He left the big villain plans to the other mad scientists and the Thule Society (Who Destroyer considered a bunch of charlatans. Remember Destroyer doesn't believe in magic.)

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Impressive write-up, Crinos.

Bravo!

I love that breath of vile air.

KK Kraken is my favorite from the group but everyone is a nice pick.
Phrozen wrote:Its funny because real life Hitler was a big fan of Disney cartoons. Yes, monsters can be strange at times.

I wonder exactly which Golden Age Nazi villain was the most despicable. You have Count Reich, Baron Heinreich Zemo, Red Skull, and Dr. Destroyer all vying for most evil.
Going from classic appearances, I think it goes like this:

Count Reich: Count Reich is the most nihilistic twisted and demented of the bunch. Seriously, to quote the Big Lebowski, "Say what you will about national socialism but at least it's an ethos." He was a depraved man-pig from the beginning and has only gotten worse as time passes. So I'd say he's the worst.

The Red Skull: Schmidt I'd argue was fairly sane during WW2 despite his horrific atrocities and I'd argue it's actually his continued defeats by Captain America (which expose him as a weak pathetic shell of a man every time Steve Rogers rises up to crush him) which turned him into the slavering monster he is today. Arguably, the only difference now between him and Reich in the present day is one has magic and a sense of humor.

Doctor Destroyer and Zemo I are both woud-be world-conquerors and scientists who just happened to be Nazis.

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HA! Crinos and I more or less said the same thing re: Red Skull and Reich.

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Cri, I've been having a few thoughts on the FF, how open would you be to some retcons to them, given they haven't yet be used in a Crinoverse game, IIRC?

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Yeoman wrote:Cri, I've been having a few thoughts on the FF, how open would you be to some retcons to them, given they haven't yet be used in a Crinoverse game, IIRC?
Go nuts dude.

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Technically Reed Richards has, albeit briefly. ;)

But nitpicking aside, go for it.
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Sue was alluded to in the same one shot.
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The Third Reich - still so unpleasant they can only be called Nazi, even three quarters of a century later - where would comics be without you to assault, defeat and humiliate?
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Still beating up on Communists?

Anyways, I should note that the above list was not completely inclusive to Death's head: They were just the ones who survived to the end of the War. Reich had a rotating stable of super powered psychos who were killed either by the Allies or by Reich himself.

Anyone has some suggestions feel free (Charles, looking at you).

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Charles Phipps wrote:Impressive write-up, Crinos.

Bravo!

I love that breath of vile air.

KK Kraken is my favorite from the group but everyone is a nice pick.
Funny enough, I originally made KK Kraken for the Super Alcatraz product you were planning that never saw the light of day. So he is technically an HED! originating character.

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Vaporware, my cursed foe!

I blame the HED! government not wanting its secrets to come out.

:)

However, if I may add this to the Crinosverse.

Nazi "Heroes" vs. Bio-Blitzkreigers

In general, the Nazis under the "control" of Count Reich were designed to be terror weapons and not really the sort of thing you'd think of when you consider state-sponsored superhumans. The doctrine of employing superheroes as morale boosters was something you'd think the Third Reich would be all over. However, it was Wilhelm Kantor who pointed out the obvious flaws in this logic.

1. Superhumans were objectively superior to the "Master Race" in many respects.
2. It was the rare superhuman who had Aryan features and plenty existed in decidedly Non-Aryan races. Superior was a lucky break, for example, as otherwise the strongest man in the Reich would be a brutish redhead.
3. Superhumans are innately individualists with many of them having their own agendas.

Rotter Parsifal, for example, was the perfect Aryan specimen (American birth aside, he was of pure German stock). While he had an unhealthy fascination with National Socialism and fascism as a government and legal system, Red Knight notably wrote several letters "correcting" Hitler on eugenics as well as voicing concerns regarding the rights of man.
Rotter would have been flat out shot if not for his invaluable service to the Reich--and Kantor intercepting a lot of his correspondence before rewriting them.
As a result, while the Ubersoldaten were a pretty much bog-standard collection of superheroes (despite the psychopathia of beings like Donar); the Reich's most infamous use of superhumans was as terror weapons. These were controlled by Mass and Schmidt jointly with Wilhelm Kantor only occasionally making use of them.
Oddly, Schmidt and Mass got along quite well. It's said the only time in history you could hear the Skull laughing sincerely was at Mass' jokes.

They were unleashed against the United States, French peasantry, and Soviet Union with impunity. The "Bio-Blitzkriegers" didn't actually do as much damage as the mechanized Nazi war machine, even against the innocent, but their terror-effect was drastically disproportionate. It took several superhuman victories to make many cities believe the Nazis were not invincible.

It also nicely kept the German military in line when faced with superhumans that might otherwise crush them. Claus Von Stauffenberg actually had plans to contact the Ubersoldaten to help contain their fellows during this time but never succeeded--though a few of his letters reached Red Knight and Red Eagle; both who drastically dropped off their support during this time. It is believed that a certain owl-based superhero actually had the full conspiracy's plot but betrayed it in this reality.

Thus sealing the fate of Germany and his own damnation.
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Here's a short sequel to this article.

Slashers do have a few known enemies above and beyond those that have been detailed.

Cassie Hack is the Suicide Girl-esque looking hunter of Slashers. The daughter of the infamous "Lunch Lady" murderer, Cassie Hack turned her mother in only to have her commit suicide. This would have been bad enough if not for the fact the Lunch Lady rose as a Revenant determined to continue her murders. Putting down her mother for a second time, Cassie Hack decided she would hunt down monsters throughout the world.
Cassie is desperately afraid she's got the potential to be a Slasher herself. Cassie has the attitude characteristic of Slashers but is unaware she's actually a member of a race called The Imbued (Avenger Creed).

Vlad is Cassie's partner. a man bearing a superficial resemblance to Jason Voorhees. Vlad is a perfectly normal, albeit deformed, human being. He is also Black Spiral Dancer kinfolk and capable pounding a Crinos-form werewolf down with a baseball bat. Despite having been raised completely sheltered by his somewhat cracked German immigrant father, Vlad is a gentle soul who only harms Slashers. Unfortunately, werewolves smell Wyrm-taint on him and his appearance routinely causes problems.

Cassie is oblivious to his crush on her.

The pair exist peripheral to the superhuman community despite Cassie's father being a scientist for AEGIS. She's also familiar with psychiatrist and sorcerer Jacob Searson at the FBI (and leader of Vanguard Serial Crimes Unit after Frank Black retired).

Vanguard Serial Crimes Unit: The successor to the X-files closed down in the late nineties (and the Millennium group conspiracy which collapsed under the weight of its own failed prophecies). The Vanguard Serial Crimes Unit absorbed the FBI Special Affairs Division and operates as its own private Bureau within a Bureau. In general, they don't deal with regular superhuman crime but focus exclusively on superhuman serial killers. While most superhumans don't realize Slashers are empowered by Hades, Vanguard has some idea of what's going on. Fox Mulder and Dana Scully still occasionally advise the group as does Dale Cooper who has only recently returned after being missing for almost two decades.

Medium Allison DuBois was recently recruited to replace Olivia Dunham who decided to work on a AEGIS-based project in Boston.

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okay, here's my idea. I took some of what Cri had already done with them and changed quite a few things, added some of the ideas form the last few years at Marvel that I liked. Unless Cri wants to make this the canon version, they should probably be considered at alternate possibility for GMs that want to sue it. Like how if you wanted to ignore the Xeron element of Equestria and just use it as another planet or another dimension, that would work just fine.


The Fantastic Four

The First Family of the Cap Community got it's start a decade and a half ago when Dr. Reed Richards met his future wife Susan Storm when they were both researching at the Gonzo institute in Eureka. Through each other Sue met Reed's old college buddy, Benjamin Grimm, and Reed met Sue's younger bother Johnny.

The four of them would go on to work with the John Smith Society, exploring the unexplaining of the world around them, challenging it's unknown wonders. Over the years the four would be joined by numerous allies, and Reed and Sue would eventually marry and have two children.

While Reed and Sue still do some work in Eureka, these days the group mostly works out of their home and base in New York, the Baxter building, which allows Reed and Sue to work on their own, as well as providing a better environment for their children and the groups various allies.

Reed Richards: Quite possibly the most brilliant mind the human race has ever produced. Even he's lost track of which fields he has mastered he actually holds degrees in and which ones he just never bothered too. His true love is pure science and knowledge and is definitely the impetus for the groups explorations. He often worries though that he spends too much time with his work and not enough with his family.

Sue Richards: A brilliant mind in her own right, though more specialized. When it comes to science, Sue is one of the foremost experts in Force Field technology, though her true strengths lie is design and building. Many of Reed's own inventions would never get off the ground if she didn't put them to practice designs. When exploring, Sue usually brings her force field belt, capable of shapable force walls, as well as allowing her to turn everything inside the field invisible.

Johnny Storm: Sue's little brother. Johnny is the group's driver. He's hot headed and usually the first one into a situation. And often the one who gets them out of one when it's impulsive action that's called for. He and Ben are often at each others throats verbally and pranking each other.

Benjamin Grimm: Originally the groups pilot and strongman, one one early adventure, Ben was mutated in a hulking rock like creature by an unknown artifact. Reed speant years trying to cure Ben to no effect. Ben, however, has ultimately come to grips with his appearance, and by this point, he's well known enough that few people are really shocked by it anyway.

Franklin and Valeria Richards: Reed and Sue's children. Franklin, the eldest has, over the years, displayed on again off again psionic powers varying from prophetic dreams, to world shaking power. He's ten years old at this point Valeria is , if anything, perhaps smarter than either of her parents. But while she has their intellect, she has the life experience and morality of a four year old.

Bentley-23: Clone son of Bentley Whittman, the fours old foe, the Wingless Wizard. Bentley was adopted by the four after they rescued him from his father and creator. Bentley is, at this point, unsure at this point how to but his own genius to use. As a scientist, or following his fathers footsteps as a science criminal.

Laura Kinney: Valeria and Franklin's babysitter. She was originally and assassin developed by the weapon X program using the genetic matter of her father, the original Weapon X, James Howlett. Eventually disobeying orders, she escaped onto the streets of New York, where she eventually encountered the Richards family, who put an end to the program and took her in.

Alex Power: Originally the eldest of the Power Siblings, as children they received super powers from the horse like Kymellian, and operated as the group Power Pack, often encountering Franklin. Usually only adventuring under the direst of circumstances due to the sidekick laws, Alex is now 19 and working as Reed and Sue's lab assistant.

Namor, the Submariner: Prince of Atlantis and the arrogant older half brother of Sea King. Namor has been active since world War two, where he was a frequent ally of both the Human Torch and Captain America. While he has often led Atlantis in wars with the surface world when he felt Atlantis was being abused, Namor has, more or less, mellowed in his old age and spends most of his time womanizing and thrashing would be world conquers that he feels threaten his homeland. Even he is unsure if he truly loves Sue Storm/Richards, or it's just his preference for blonds coupled with the fact that they will never be together.


I've got nothing to add to what Cri's original version did with Black Panther and the Inhumans, but they should also be counted as allies.

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Nice to see you bogarted my characters name for Academy Cri. :lol:

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