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Re: All DC comics to relaunch with Issue #1 in September

Postby Flying Cobra » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:47 pm

Geoff Johns wrote:"You always want your heroes to have a lesson and a moral center -- even if they're screwed up like Billy Batson... it's okay, we're all a little flawed, and for Billy Batson to find the potential to become Shazam, that's more interesting than this perfect little kid that I've never met anyone like that before."
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Re: All DC comics to relaunch with Issue #1 in September

Postby Thakowsaizmu » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:29 pm

That's great Geoff Johns, it really is. But you know what else you haven't met before? A kid with the wisdom of Solomon who could fly.
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Re: All DC comics to relaunch with Issue #1 in September

Postby Thorpacolypse » Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:46 pm

All I know is that after checking out the Scott Snyder interview at Comicvine, I am considering camping outside of my local shop to get Batman #0 and his entire new Joker arc. Funny how the best of the New 52 is something that didn't really change... :wink:
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Re: All DC comics to relaunch with Issue #1 in September

Postby saint_matthew » Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:55 pm

Thorpacolypse wrote:All I know is that after checking out the Scott Snyder interview at Comicvine, I am considering camping outside of my local shop to get Batman #0 and his entire new Joker arc. Funny how the best of the New 52 is something that didn't really change... :wink:


An is wrtiten by the same guy who was giving us the best of the preboot batman stuff too.
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Re: All DC comics to relaunch with Issue #1 in September

Postby Thorpacolypse » Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:57 pm

saint_matthew wrote:
Thorpacolypse wrote:All I know is that after checking out the Scott Snyder interview at Comicvine, I am considering camping outside of my local shop to get Batman #0 and his entire new Joker arc. Funny how the best of the New 52 is something that didn't really change... :wink:


An is wrtiten by the same guy who was giving us the best of the preboot batman stuff too.


Exactamundo.
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Re: All DC comics to relaunch with Issue #1 in September

Postby saint_matthew » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:04 pm

Thorpacolypse wrote:
saint_matthew wrote:
Thorpacolypse wrote:All I know is that after checking out the Scott Snyder interview at Comicvine, I am considering camping outside of my local shop to get Batman #0 and his entire new Joker arc. Funny how the best of the New 52 is something that didn't really change... :wink:


An is wrtiten by the same guy who was giving us the best of the preboot batman stuff too.


Exactamundo.


to be fair i still prefered the preboot stuff... An not just because batgirl was more awesome as Steph & Red Robin actually had a personality under the old comic title, unlike now.
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Re: All DC comics to relaunch with Issue #1 in September

Postby greycrusader » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:52 pm

So after leafing through the latest Deathstroke issue on Wednesday, I want to post the following question:

Exactly what type of blackmail material do YOU think Rob Liefield has over the honchos at DC?

It has to be something awful, right? I mean whatever incriminating material Owlman had on Ultraman over in the Anti-Matter Universe has to pale in comparision.
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Re: All DC comics to relaunch with Issue #1 in September

Postby saint_matthew » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:59 pm

greycrusader wrote:So after leafing through the latest Deathstroke issue on Wednesday, I want to post the following question:

Exactly what type of blackmail material do YOU think Rob Liefield has over the honchos at DC?

It has to be something awful, right? I mean whatever incriminating material Owlman had on Ultraman over in the Anti-Matter Universe has to pale in comparision.


So what you are asking is Cui Bono?

EDIT: 1 internets for the first person to get that reference.
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Re: All DC comics to relaunch with Issue #1 in September

Postby Mr Mole » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:01 am

saint_matthew wrote:So what you are asking is Cui Bono?

EDIT: 1 internets for the first person to get that reference.

The Latin is basic enough, generally translated "To whose benefit?" (although there are more precise translations, I think that one gets the point across well enough).

After utilizing some google-fu, I come up with two, likely references... The first is Lucius Cassius Longinus Ravilla, a Roman consul who is credited with making the phrase famous... The other would be from the 2006 movie "The Departed," which I've never watched... I'm gonna go with "The Departed" as the more likely reference...

According to IMDB:

Ellerby (Alec Baldwin): Cui Bono, who benefits?
Colin Sullivan (Matt Damon): Cui gives a s***. It's got a freakin' bow on it.
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Re: All DC comics to relaunch with Issue #1 in September

Postby saint_matthew » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:56 pm

Mr Mole wrote:
saint_matthew wrote:So what you are asking is Cui Bono?

EDIT: 1 internets for the first person to get that reference.

The Latin is basic enough, generally translated "To whose benefit?" (although there are more precise translations, I think that one gets the point across well enough).

After utilizing some google-fu, I come up with two, likely references... The first is Lucius Cassius Longinus Ravilla, a Roman consul who is credited with making the phrase famous... The other would be from the 2006 movie "The Departed," which I've never watched... I'm gonna go with "The Departed" as the more likely reference...

According to IMDB:

Ellerby (Alec Baldwin): Cui Bono, who benefits?
Colin Sullivan (Matt Damon): Cui gives a s***. It's got a freakin' bow on it.


Wow, that was much more complicated then it needed to be... so no.

To quote GreyCrusader

I mean whatever incriminating material Owlman had on Ultraman over in the Anti-Matter Universe has to pale in comparision.


Both Owlman & Ultraman are members of the Crime Syndicate & the Crime Syndicates moto is Cui Bono (which is latin for "Who Profits", just like you said)... So no free interents today.
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Re: All DC comics to relaunch with Issue #1 in September

Postby Ares » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:43 pm

Flying Cobra wrote:
Geoff Johns wrote:"You always want your heroes to have a lesson and a moral center -- even if they're screwed up like Billy Batson... it's okay, we're all a little flawed, and for Billy Batson to find the potential to become Shazam, that's more interesting than this perfect little kid that I've never met anyone like that before."


That . . . kind of sort of misses the point of Billy Batson completely. Billy Batson is not the average kid on the street. He's suppose to be the one person in the last 3,000 years that is worthy of wielding the Power of Shazam. Shazam screwed up before with Black Adam, he's determined not to screw up again, so he waited until someone truly worthy came along. Billy is the kind of person that, when he suffers a tragedy, rather than gets angry, snarky, and mean spirited, gains a lot of empathy for the people around him and wants to do right by them. Billy is suppose to be what Steve Rogers was in Captain America: The First Avenger, but with a dash of Spider-Man.

We don't need Billy to be this snarky little kid who is really good deep down but needs to connect with a family for his inner goodness to come out. It's such a cliche at this point it'd be simpler to just have him be a well adjusted human being instead of this little a**hole who is self centered with his own pain, being all 'woe is me' about how no one understands his suffering, making little girls cry, etc. The only good thing he's done is stand up for Mary and Freddy, complete with the 'I don't like bullies' line. So far that's the only redeeming quality the character's had.

This goes beyond Marvel Comics style 'humanizing' of heroes and is turning more towards early Image/Wildstorm style of psychologically damaged heroes. Billy could have been a bright spot of hope, idealism and purity, showing us that you can have someone who is just genuinely a good character that wants to help, even at age 12. But nope, we get Shazam, the crazy eyed bundle of anger issues.
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Re: All DC comics to relaunch with Issue #1 in September

Postby JetstreamGW » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:09 pm

Meh. They took away my decent-for-no-particular-reason Barry Allen and gave him a pointless tragic backstory, now everyone else gets to suffer too ;)
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Re: All DC comics to relaunch with Issue #1 in September

Postby saint_matthew » Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:20 am

Ares wrote:We don't need Billy to be this snarky little kid who is really good deep down but needs to connect with a family for his inner goodness to come out. It's such a cliche at this point it'd be simpler to just have him be a well adjusted human being instead of this little a**hole who is self centered with his own pain, being all 'woe is me' about how no one understands his suffering, making little girls cry, etc. The only good thing he's done is stand up for Mary and Freddy, complete with the 'I don't like bullies' line. So far that's the only redeeming quality the character's had.


WO! Hold on there Ares: If Billy Batson weren't a raging arse hole, how would we be able to tell that he was edgy... After all thats what DC is betting all its cookies on, isn't it? Edgy?

I didn't know what edgyness was, so i asked a fictional character & this is what she said

[a teen magazine editor asks Daria for her definition of "Edgy"]
Daria Morgendorffer: As far as I can make out, "edgy" occurs when middlebrow, middle-aged profiteers are looking to suck the energy - not to mention the spending money - out of the "youth culture." So they come up with this fake concept of seeming to be dangerous when every move they make is the result of market research and a corporate master plan.


I told Daria in that case DC wasn'ty being edgy, since apparently edgyness requires a master plan & DC can't even put together an apprentice plan. :roll:
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Re: All DC comics to relaunch with Issue #1 in September

Postby King Snarf » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:01 am

greycrusader wrote:Exactly what type of blackmail material do YOU think Rob Liefield has over the honchos at DC?



From what I've heard, to get continued work in comics (and probably most other fields), you have to be at least two of three things- good, fast, or nice. From what I've heard, Liefeld has the last two down, with the fast option coming provided he's got an editor keeping tabs on him.
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Re: All DC comics to relaunch with Issue #1 in September

Postby greycrusader » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:29 am

King Snarf wrote:
greycrusader wrote:Exactly what type of blackmail material do YOU think Rob Liefield has over the honchos at DC?



From what I've heard, to get continued work in comics (and probably most other fields), you have to be at least two of three things- good, fast, or nice. From what I've heard, Liefeld has the last two down, with the fast option coming provided he's got an editor keeping tabs on him.


OK, but there has to be a minimum standard for all three. Surely even if work is delivered on time and the creator is pleasant to work with, if the material is fanzine level at best it should be rejected by a major professional publisher.

This was actually the first stuff I'd read from Liefield in years. His work has deteriorated even from where it was-and Lobo and Deathstroke should have been characters he could handle, at least in over-the-top 90s style.
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