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Postby goodtremere » Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:06 pm

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goodtremere wrote:-I think it's stupid for Jessica to use a gun. You have friggin' super-strength. Just carry around a few baseballs that you can chuck through people's heads. I cop will stop you if you run around with a gun, but not if you're carrying baseballs.

My immediate response was to think "air friction." A baseball, thrown hard, will certainly be painful and possibly fatal, but doesn't have nearly as much efficient stopping power as a bullet.


I think his point is that super-strength provides options other folks do not have, yanno?


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Postby anji_kenshin » Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:06 am

I...am loving this show.

I find it to be one of the best writting scripts I've ever seen. Everything is so well intertwined that you can tell the writers put alot of effort into it.

How are the ratings for the show?
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Postby McC » Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:14 am

anji_kenshin wrote:How are the ratings for the show?


SuperHeroHype: According to preliminary nationals from Nielsen, "Heroes" (6.2 rating/15 share in adults 18-49, 14.3 million viewers overall) was up nearly 10% week to week to log the highest regular-slot 18-49 score for a first-year drama in the past two seasons. It was up a big 55% over NBC's non-sports average in the timeslot last season.

That's as of October 24.
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Postby Ronin » Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:42 am

goodtremere wrote:
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McC wrote:I suspect Jessica's tatoo is a red herring.


Did anyone notice that the symbol showed up in the program that Mohinder's father used to track and find these supers? I think that there is more to the symbol than just a red herring.


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There are many sightings of the helix symbol. It was even in the swimming pool at the murder scene house with the telepathic cop's first appearance. The symbol has meaning, we just don't know if it has an actual purpose or reasoning in terms of plot or if it's just an artistic and visual tool for benefit of the audience.


I vote for both.
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Postby Ronin » Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:43 am

goodtremere wrote:
Strict31 wrote:
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goodtremere wrote:-I think it's stupid for Jessica to use a gun. You have friggin' super-strength. Just carry around a few baseballs that you can chuck through people's heads. I cop will stop you if you run around with a gun, but not if you're carrying baseballs.

My immediate response was to think "air friction." A baseball, thrown hard, will certainly be painful and possibly fatal, but doesn't have nearly as much efficient stopping power as a bullet.


I think his point is that super-strength provides options other folks do not have, yanno?


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Of course, in her last fight with DL, her super-strength didn't fare so well, so bringing along a gun gives her other options. Hard to phase through a bullet if you don't see it coming.
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Postby Strict31 » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:32 pm

Ronin wrote:Of course, in her last fight with DL, her super-strength didn't fare so well, so bringing along a gun gives her other options. Hard to phase through a bullet if you don't see it coming.


The same can be said of a fist.

I think she's packing heat because she really likes implements of pain and death. Not because it's the most practical of options for a superhuman.

Oh, and also because it might be Niki facing DL not Jessica. Since Niki doesn't seem to possess or know how to access Jessica's immense strength, if Nik gets caught in a Niki-moment instead of a Jessica moment...eh I dunno. She seems to be able to switch at the drop of the hat, but not necessarily at will.
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Postby Ronin » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:44 pm

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Ronin wrote:Of course, in her last fight with DL, her super-strength didn't fare so well, so bringing along a gun gives her other options. Hard to phase through a bullet if you don't see it coming.


The same can be said of a fist.


True, but it's easier to see a fist coming a few feet away than a bullet fired from several yards, possible from behind something. Now, Jessica may not be thinking precisely that, but having a ranged option is not a bad idea.

I think she's packing heat because she really likes implements of pain and death. Not because it's the most practical of options for a superhuman.


Well, there is that too. Violence does seem to be Jessica's forte.

Oh, and also because it might be Niki facing DL not Jessica. Since Niki doesn't seem to possess or know how to access Jessica's immense strength, if Nik gets caught in a Niki-moment instead of a Jessica moment...eh I dunno. She seems to be able to switch at the drop of the hat, but not necessarily at will.


Not Niki's will, anyhow. Jessica seems to be able to show up whenever she likes.
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Postby Shock » Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:08 pm

I think they showed her prepping a gun just to make it clear that she's getting ready to do something drastic. For a character with a super power with no visible effect, they needed some other way to get that point across.
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Postby Cryptic » Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:27 pm

Jessica knows (or assumes) that DL can only do things to her at touch range. Being a 21st century woman who probably spent most of her life as a "normal person" Niki / Jessica would probably think of a gun first. Besides, it's a lot easier to aim than lobbing something at a person, especially when he's probably holding your kid. Even if you can throw a car at someone, or anything else, it's a bit different when he's got ahold of your child.
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Postby Strict31 » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:59 pm

Jessica's probably not thinking that a bullet can be traced back to a specific pistol covered with fingerprints more easily than police can trace specific knuckle-prints left in the gooey puddle that used to be DL's upper torso.

All I'm saying is, I don't think she's being particularly mindful of the best method for her to do harm to someone. Just the method that provides her the most satisfaction.
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Postby ARandomGod » Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:39 pm

Re: FBI Chick accepting telepath cop's abilities.
PJ Mason wrote:Maybe she is a plant too.

Trust No One!


While I agree with the general trust noone sentiment, the 'path cop probably can do more trust-wise than most ppl. (Meaning I think he'd catch on, but maybe not if she was well trained).

But maybe the FBI chick just wanted to believe. I mean, he did do some mind reading for her. I'd believe someone who came to me with a weird story, if they could give some proof. At least enough to go along for more proof! Hey, maybe she reads fiction too.

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goodtremere wrote:-Claire's story was cute. She just wants to have a family. I think she should hook up with her friend.

She obviously wants to. Remember when she asked "Are you FLIRTING with me?" He quickly replied "No...no way!" She was visibly disapointed. He likes her, but he's a kid and doesn't know how to express his feelings... and she's no better, though she wears it on her sleeve.


That whole scene was uber cute, wasn't it?

Shock wrote:I think they showed her prepping a gun just to make it clear that she's getting ready to do something drastic. For a character with a super power with no visible effect, they needed some other way to get that point across.


You know, sadly I'm going to have to agree with you here. Which means I have to chalk that up to poor special effects/poor story writing too.

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Postby PigLickJF » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:08 pm

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Shock wrote:I think they showed her prepping a gun just to make it clear that she's getting ready to do something drastic. For a character with a super power with no visible effect, they needed some other way to get that point across.


You know, sadly I'm going to have to agree with you here. Which means I have to chalk that up to poor special effects/poor story writing too.


I wouldn't necessarily jumpt to that conclusion. We don't know what she's planning, and no matter what, if you're planning on violence it can't hurt to have a gun as backup. Sure, guns are more obvious if you get stopped by the cops, and more traceable after the fact, but so far she's managed to get away with everything, so I'm sure she considers those reasonable risks when weighted with not having a gun and then needing one in order to do whatever she plans on doing. She may be confident in her powers, but we also know she's fairly intelligent and thoughtful about her actions. She doesn't have as much of the element of surprise this time as DL knows she's going to be coming after him, knows she has powers, and she knows he does as well. That's hardly the same situation as taking out a couple of unexpecting hoodlums or surprising a few thugs while playing cards.

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Postby anji_kenshin » Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:11 am

Nikki's son (Mikah??) Fixed that telephone outside of the hotel, what are his powers?

I don't know if it's some form of electrical control, or what I was just curious because I missed the first 3 episodes.
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Postby EL » Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:15 am

My guess is he is one of those Technokentics. He touches machines and can fix or control them or what have you.
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Postby The Stray » Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:15 pm

PigLickJF wrote:
ARandomGod wrote:
Shock wrote:I think they showed her prepping a gun just to make it clear that she's getting ready to do something drastic. For a character with a super power with no visible effect, they needed some other way to get that point across.


You know, sadly I'm going to have to agree with you here. Which means I have to chalk that up to poor special effects/poor story writing too.


I wouldn't necessarily jumpt to that conclusion. We don't know what she's planning, and no matter what, if you're planning on violence it can't hurt to have a gun as backup. Sure, guns are more obvious if you get stopped by the cops, and more traceable after the fact, but so far she's managed to get away with everything, so I'm sure she considers those reasonable risks when weighted with not having a gun and then needing one in order to do whatever she plans on doing. She may be confident in her powers, but we also know she's fairly intelligent and thoughtful about her actions. She doesn't have as much of the element of surprise this time as DL knows she's going to be coming after him, knows she has powers, and she knows he does as well. That's hardly the same situation as taking out a couple of unexpecting hoodlums or surprising a few thugs while playing cards.

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Besides, you all are assuming that if Jessica uses a gun on someone, she'll leave the body behind. That just isn't her style. With the exception of the goons at the poker game, Jessica has been very careful about leaving evidence behind.
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