To you DC readers.

[ghostman76]

Yep. Just like a kid. He worships his hero, but at the same time pouts that people think Supes is better than him.


God I love Captain Marvel. He's such an interesting character.

[Kraah]

It's hard to quantify MM's telepathy. One one hand, he's been able to affect more people, unaided, than Prof X has. On the other hand, Prof X seems more skilled with individuals, and using Telepathy offensively.

[The Speaker in Dreams]

Oh hell ... I'll drop my bit into the mix here ...

MM's strength, durability, speed, etc ... all significantly below Supes, but WAY beyond darn near everyone else. Why do I say this? Because in each and every enconter that's happened between MM & Supes, the phrase "nearly your/his equal" arrives from onlookers/MM/narrator/whatever. No sooner is this stated that we are quickly shown that Supes can shake him like a bad case of fleas. I'm talking minimal output of Supes = MM folds like paper mache.

So ... doesn't matter what game your looking at - the comics strongly support the above - when it matters, really matters ... MM barely rates as a challenge to Supes. Period.

As for who's overall more powerful? MM can shapeshift, go invisible, go intangible and has TP, IN ADDITION TO being darn right strong enough to probably steam-roll 90% of the other heroes in the DCU if he wants to ... MM takes the "powerful" cake, IMO based on versatility and adaptability. Supes may well be able to knock him into the middle of next century with next to no effort ... but he's got to find him first!

As for Captain Marvel and Superman - they're pretty much equals. Supe's maybe has a notch or two just above him ... *maybe* but even compared to MM, Captain Marvel is much more of a vaunted threat to Supes than any other character in the entire DCU (thus the placement of a mind-controlled Billy as the main nemesis in Kingdom Come). He's also the only character with a 2-0 record of taking on Superman and winning ... outright. He's cold-clocked him twice in the single encounter - completely knocking him out. Hitting him so hard, in fact, that Superman turned around stunned with a simple, and almost whimpering " .... Billy?" To which Billy then hit him again, firmly knocking him out - no one else has ever given Supes the two hit KO that I'm aware of ... villain or otherwise. Captain Marvel ... did.

He did it again in another story line, and that time in a single shot - not the two. However, it's worth stating that he has KO'd Superman on more than one occasion, and that on both it was less than a challenge for him to do so. Both were somewhat "sneak" attacks in that Supes wasn't expecting to fight, but last I checked ... Gladiator was the psychic-confidence powered guy, not Supes. Now, if any other character were to be placed in the role of Captain Marvel I have no doubt that Supes would have just turned around and proceeded to lay the smack down on the numbskull who tried to pound him into unconsciousness because no one can play w/him on his own level (except Captain Marvel that is ). Could MM drop him? Sure ... w/his TP in a snap I'd bet ... but trying to cold-clock him when he's not looking? Nope - he'd just piss 'em off. Billy, on the other hand, can and has laid himout flat ... twice.

I'll let the record stand where it is and simply side with the editors and powers that be in that IF there is anyone in the DCU who is Superman's equal, then that person wears red and gold, goes by "the big red cheese" and his name is "Billy."

[Valiantheart]

I'll let the record stand where it is and simply side with the editors and powers that be in that IF there is anyone in the DCU who is Superman's equal, then that person wears red and gold, goes by "the big red cheese" and his name is "Billy."

The big red cheese...i always liked that nickname.

Incidently, the other story line was when the JSA were infected by the 7 deadly sins. Billy took gluttony i believe and KOed Big Blue after Power Girl (lust naturally) had semi Frenched him. It was a good moment.

[WayneLigon]

Why is Martian Man Hunter called "Man Hunter"? What exactly are his powers and how would they rate compaired to some Marvel charactors with simular abilitys, for example, how strong is his telepathy? Prof X class? Marvel Girl? Psylock? Less?

As far as the origin of his name, he was originally a police detective. 'Manhunter' is another word for such a person. 'Manhunt' was a more commonly used term then.

How strong is his telepathy? As strong as it needs to be for the particular story It all depends on the writer and editor. He's done some astounding things, such as make an entire group of White Martians forget what race they were and beleive they were humans living normal lives.

[Strict31]

I'll let the record stand where it is and simply side with the editors and powers that be in that IF there is anyone in the DCU who is Superman's equal, then that person wears red and gold, goes by "the big red cheese" and his name is "Billy."

The big red cheese...i always liked that nickname.

Incidently, the other story line was when the JSA were infected by the 7 deadly sins. Billy took gluttony i believe and KOed Big Blue after Power Girl (lust naturally) had semi Frenched him. It was a good moment.

Lust? Why lust? It seems like they've gone out of their way to portray Kara as a prime sinner in the area of pride more than lust. Do you remember when this story was written (I mean is it a recent or old story)?


Strictly Speaking

[ghostman76]

Maybe they were basing it off of the emotion that the character inspires rather than what they are most known for expressing themselves.

*thinks about Power Girl's costume*

[Valiantheart]

Maybe they were basing it off of the emotion that the character inspires rather than what they are most known for expressing themselves.

*thinks about Power Girl's costume*

Indeed!

One need only look at Kara. Its like her own personal running joke that everyone else comments on her anatomy.

The comic was within the last 5 years. I read it in B&N one day. I'm not positive but i think the sins took the characters who they thought they could have the best time with. And well, If im Mr. Lust I'm taking Kara's body too.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... vi=reviews

[Strict31]

But...she's so....prideful...I mean, so much so that it seems a no-brainer whoever wrote the story. Obviously, the writer was thinking with his [i]other[i] brain. Big boobies=sin.

Her costume is less revealing than Wonder Woman's and while she is admittedly stacked, one would think that capacity for a particular sin would be based more in the character's personality rather than the character's measurements...

Oh well.


Strictly Shrugging

[ghostman76]

You bring up a good point Strict.

Both Power Girl and Wonder Woman are smoking hot, and most guys would think of Lust first when they looked at 'em, however, when you dig deeper than just the surface, both ladies are much better candidates for Pride.

Of course, why would Billy bet Gluttony, other than the fact that SOMEONE had to be.

[Marshal Law]

And Pride went to "Mr Terrific", which I thought was a good choice. I mean, you can't go around being (allegedly) the smartest man on earth without at least subconciously thinking "I am the best!".

Taking Batman as "Anger" was also a very nice choice - because anger/vengeance is how so many see The Bat, when the truth is quite different - the truth that allows Doc Midnight to talk the demon out of him, by reminding Bruce that it isn't anger that keeps him on the streets of Gotham, but hope. Which was quite a nifty scene, I thought.

******

Mind you, the whole thing was a bit anti-climatic - given the build up to their various foes, they then dealt with them rather too easily, I thought.

Mind you, there were also some rather nifty moments, like Ollie's rather imaginative way of taking the wind out of Marvel's sails.

In summary, some very well done details but set against a plot that was too big for the length of the story.

******

That's the end of the review, we now return you to your scheduled topic...

[Dr Archeville]

Okay, so we've got

Anger/Wrath -- Batman
Gluttony -- Captain Marvel
Lust -- Power Girl
Pride/Vanity -- Mr. Terrific

Who were Envy/Jealousy, Sloth, and Avarice/Greed?

[Marshal Law]

Wrath - Batman
Gluttony - Captain Marvel
Lust - Power Girl
Pride - Mr. Terrific

Sloth -Doctor Fate.

Envy - Green Lantern

Focused, of course, on Sentinel and Hal Jordan. "I'm green lantern now! Why can't they forget YOU!?"

Greed - Plastic Man

"Hey, I got Speedy's Hat! You know how much I can get for this on Ebay?"
(And, does a great impresion of the guy from the Monopoly boardgame)

[Dr Archeville]

Innnteresting....

[Kwikdraw]

I'll let the record stand where it is and simply side with the editors and powers that be in that IF there is anyone in the DCU who is Superman's equal, then that person wears red and gold, goes by "the big red cheese" and his name is "Billy."

Hmm… I wasn't aware of the second fight where Marvel took out Superman. Well, if anyone in DC should be able to take him out, it'd be the big red cheese, especially considering the bitter real-life legal maneuverings between their respective publishers in the early 50s.