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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:43 pm

You know, a lot of stuff from Charle's Marvel Occult thread could easily be fitted into this setting.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Libra » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:40 pm

True enough, I agree, although if we let any little matter like redundancy stop us creating new threads, every thread on the Settings forum would be as long as The Crinosverse! :wink:
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:42 am

The History of Mutants part 1

It is Earth's destiny to be a cradle for heroes. This is a quality which has been true across countless variations of the world but never more the case than on Earth-777, where it seems everyone had a potential destiny for such. This destiny, unfortunately, has been repeatedly challenged if not thwarted.

The origin of the so-called X-gene lies in the intervention of the all-powerful Celestials, who are one of the few beings more powerful than the Guardians of the Universe and are known as much for their Darwinist amorality as the Guardians are for their devotion to order.

When Earth was struck by the Source and a fragment of its massive energy lead to the rise of Earth's various Sky-Fathers, the Celestials decided to take advantage of the residual power and modify the already potent evolutionary soup into something which would produce a species they considered "worthy."

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This resulted in the creation of the Eternal, Deviant, and Mutant strains of humanity. The Eternals evacuated to the planet Titan, quickly realizing they had little in common with the rest of the human race.

The Deviants, by contrast, would flee underwater and become mixed with both the Atlanteans as well as the ancestors to hundreds of Earth's "monster races." The mutant gene, with the rare exception, would remain dormant for most of baseline human history.
Other species have received Celestial tampering over the years but the results of these actions have routinely resulted in one branch or another exterminating the rest. The Kryptonian race's Eternal strain became the dominant one on the world while the Martians (Green) Eternal and Deviant (White) strains struggled with one another until mutual annihilation.

The Skrull's Deviant strain annihilated their successors while Kree racial ideology eradicated the Eternal, Mutant, AND Deviant strains (though some fragments of the Eternal strain remained in heroes like Mar-vell).

In general, the Green Lantern Corps and other cosmic defenders have fought to bring peace between the races tampered with by the Celestials.
The major exception to this lies in the Inhumans who are a mutant strain which learned to activate their X-gene prematurely with the use of the Terrigan Crystals (as taught to them by the Kree). In-breeding as well as Kree science has since resulted in them becoming genetically distinct from standard humanity.

The goal of the Celestials with this sort of tampering remains inscrutable but it seems, from a human perspective, to be a case of evolution through conflict. Given their chosen champion was none other than Egyptian barbarian, Apocalypse, it seems they have always intended for their offspring to engage in war against one another.
Before one judges the Celestials too harshly, it should be noted that while producing a race of violent warriors seems unethical--it has benefited the universe tremendously. Earth's heroes are every bit the product of their science as its villains.
Throughout history, there have been "premature" outbreaks of mutation with these individuals being branded witches, kings, gods, or monsters as dependent on their specific mutation or circumstance. A few have even played upon their looks to ally themselves with actual supernatural forces (like the Satanic Azazel and mutant sorceress Selene).

It was not until just prior to the outbreak of World War 2 that the dormant X-gene reached a majority spread throughout humanity. It was also during this time period that the so-called "First Mutant", Namor the Sub-Mariner, made his debut.

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A Atlantean-Human Hybrid, his mutant powers only enhanced what was already a formidable individual. His mutant status also contributed to his outcast-like feelings from both sides of his parentage as well as his desire to avenge himself on those who he perceived as having wronged him.
It should be noted that a large portion of the human race has the dormant X-gene in their genetic structure. This results in "active" mutants appearing from all walks of life: gay, straight, black, white, Asian, and so on. It is also another reason why prejudice against mutants is ludicrous.

It's also why programming Sentinels to eliminate them is a very bad idea for everyone. You know, even if you're a genocidal scumbag.
Ironically, the lack of understanding regarding how superpowers were acquired lead several mutants to misinterpret the source of their powers. Jay Garrick, for example, assumed heavy water vapors were responsible for his powers when he was actually a carrier for a metagene that would eventually allow him to contact the Speed Force.

Ironically, Hitler proved unwilling to make use of mutants in his war. Despite the prominent presence of them in Germany, the discovery they came from all races made him believe they were an abomination requiring destruction. It is believed he was influenced in this decision by The Red Skull who feared their power and intended to curtail them until he could figure out a way to steal their abilities. Nathaniel Essex would, nevertheless, make use of opportunities to study an unlimited number of test subjects provided for him by Hitler's mutant-hunting squads.
A somewhat bright spot in this horrid affair was that the Justice Society would be freed from some of their war-time efforts thanks to Captain America and the Invaders. This allowed them to concentrate more of their efforts to saving lives. Countless individuals were spared due to their efforts. Essex, in particular, ended up getting his body burned to a crisp by Green Lantern. A condition he took a decade to recover from.

As a result, present-day Magneto has a surprising amount of respect for the team despite its primary composition of homo sapiens.
The active participation of so many heroes in the war against the Axis mitigated the fear of mutants for a generation, though sinister forces were already starting to examine the possibility of in-born superhuman weapons. The Weapon Plus Program, in particular, program turned to studying mutants after their initial attempts to replicate Captain America (as well as hundreds of other superheroes' abilities) failed to produce viable results.
The dissolution of the Justice Society of America would have been prevented on Earth-777 and Captain America's body recovered as well as the Sub-Mariner's memory fixed if not for the secret hand of the Hellfire Club. It was their power and influence which influenced the HUAC to crack down on superheroes worldwide due to their fear of potential repercussions from superpowered foes.

Photographic evidence shows then-Black King, Vandal Savage making arrangements with newly inducted Secret Empire member, Richard Nixon.
While the Red Scare didn't strike at the obvious target of mutants amongst us on Earth-777, a new age would begin soon after.

A new age triggered by Charles Xavier and Magneto.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:28 am

The History of Mutants part 2

Magnus (under the name Eric Lehnsherr), spared some of the horror which would traumatize him later in life, befriended Charles Xavier in Israel while the two worked on treating victims of Nazi oppression. The two discovered their shared abilities and carried out shared studies they didn't on Earth-616, where Magneto separated from him after an attack by Baron Von Strucker, working together for decades on Earth-777.

Their separation actually began with the arrival of a great symbol of hope in Superman. Whereas Charles Xavier greeted the revelation of extraterrestrial intelligence to the public as the whole with great anticipation, Magneto saw the massive build-up of hostile forces as a prelude to humanity weaponizing superhumans as well as undergoing massive cultural change.

Magneto would, unfortunately, be proven to be correct. Despite some nations embracing mutants like Markovia and their geomancy-wielding royal family, others like Bialya and Genosha ruthlessly cracked down on their 'divergent' populations. The revelation of Weapon Plus experiments like Gen 12 and Weapon X did little to reassure Magneto.

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As in other worlds, Charles Xavier went to create his School for the Gifted while Magneto went on to create the Brotherhood. The conflict over mutant rights would eventually engulf the whole of Earth-777, however.

Lex Luthor would publicly keep his hands clean and maintain LexCorp as an "equal opportunity employer" but billions in cash as well as advanced technology was funneled through his company to various organizations opposed to mutantkind. The LexCorp-produced Sentinels would prove infinitely deadlier and more dangerous than Sebastian Shaw's inferior reproductions of Boliver Trask's work.
Professor Ivo would assist Lex Luthor in producing superior sentinels for the purposes of eradicating mutankind but T.O. Morrow, perhaps because of his Jewish heritage, would actively work to sabotage the Sentinels.

This later action would prevent the death of millions on Genosha when the Sentinel attack on said island failed utterly due to all of them suddenly thinking they were the Red Tornado.
Vandal Savage would continue his work with the Hellfire Club, promoting mutant hate groups and the extermination of powerful mutants while recruiting the rich as well as evil to serve as his right hands. Eventually, he would rise to the rank of Lord Imperial only to be cast down by an alliance of Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, and Magneto.
Vandal Savage being blackballed from the club has drastically curtailed his financial as well as political influence--as well as insulted him on a level he can't even begin to fathom.
Reverend Stryker would receive an unexpected boost to his "Purity Crusade" by Glorious Godfrey who bestowed the "Blessing of Darkseid" on the Reverend. The Purifiers have, ever since, been little more than a catspaw for the Lord of Apokolips. The advanced technology they possess, however, has drawn the attention of New Genesis who HATE humans abusing devices beyond their ken. Reverend Stryker, it should be noted, perceives Darkseid as God.

Superheroes have assisted mutant-kind whenever possible with Superman, Wonder Woman, and others taking a firm stand against X-phobia. Indeed, "mutant" is a slur word which is only usable by mutants themselves in some circles. "Metahuman" is a more polite term, even if it refers to individuals who have gained their abilities through methods other than the X-gene.
As to be expected, the Friends of Humanity have branches in virtually every city in the Western World but haven't been able to get a foothold in Gotham City for some reason. It is, by and large, the city with the least mutant-violence problem in the world.

About the ONLY thing it's ahead of the curve on.
Apocalypse has also found himself opposed by beings he never expected to in his role as the Celestial's executioner. His ancient enemies, Hawkman and Hawkgirl have died several times fighting him over the centuries but this hasn't deterred them from fighting his plans. Likewise, Apocalypse was prepared for many things but the Green Lantern Corps as well as Superman and Wonder Woman are all individuals who can go toe-to-toe with Celestial technology.

Curiously, one of the most persistent enemies to Apocalypse is Ra's Al Ghul. The Demon's Head encountered the Akkabe Clan during his early years and has opposed the monster's actions for centuries. Despite the superficial similarity of their goals, Ra's Al Ghul wants to save humanity by killing a large portion of it while Apocalypse wants to keep it murdering itself forever. Ironically, for such a staunch traditionalist, Ra's Al Ghul considers mutants "gifted" rather than freaks--even the more unusual members.
He's also outright PERPLEXED at seeing beings every bit as powerful as himself defending beings weaker than himself. With the X-men he's able to assume they're deluded or insufficiently evolved but, in a very real way, might makes right in Apocalypse's mind so he's suffering more cognitive dissonance than he has in millennium.
The recent devastation of mutantkind by a Chthon-possessed Wanda Maximoff, followed by all the ensuing fallout, sadly still occurred. Efforts by the Justice League's scientists to find a cure for the Decimation failed and only recently has the Phoenix Force resulted in many depowered mutants regaining their powers. Thankfully, the Justice League and other groups were largely spared the catastrophic after-effects due to the extensive mystical wards placed upon them by Doctor Fate and Zatanna.

There is significant debate over how to handle not only the Scarlet Witch's actions but the mutant community's reaction to them. So far, Wonder Woman has maintained possession and mental influence as a worthwhile defense against condemning them for their actions. Mostly, the Justice League feels saddened they weren't able to do more.

The Future

It should be noted, in the Legion of Superheroes' 31st century, mutantkind is considered to be a somewhat antiquated and offensive term. Numerous human colonies by mutants have since given birth to entire branch races of humanity while being born with superpowers is not considered to be anything particularly noteworthy. Human, Deviant, Mutant, and Eternal lives side-by-side with aliens as well as alien hybrids.

Magneto's encounter with this future is a major reason for his presently firm Heel-Face turn.

Apocalypse would do anything to prevent this future from happening (or to wreck it again).
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:39 am

Was re-reading a bunch of this stuff and I have to say....amazing stuff.

Really, guys, awesome-awesome material. I love all of Libra's villain write-ups and Ares' Captain Marvel stuff was a masterpiece.

I resorted the articles as well.

Thanks everyone for participating.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by EnigmaticOne » Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:22 am

I'll see if I can't dig something out again, for maybe... Gorilla Grodd.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Libra » Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:16 am

Thank you for the kind words and continuing to produce good work while I can only watch, trying to work out whether or not I have anything worth posting; more accurately my paid employment at the moment consists of staring at a computer screen for much of a working day, which has left me a bit screen-shy when I get home (also I must admit to digging into some of the books I remember reading as a lad, to see if my younger self actually had any taste at all - the news is good so far thanks to my focus falling upon the works of remarkable Rosemary Sutcliff, the which I heartily reccomend as a gateway to an addiction to history and reading for any young 'uns who are old enough to ask for explanation of words they don't understand, rather than ignore them).

Stay well one and all! :D
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:27 am

1. I imagine the Bat is the reason why the Friends of Humanity haven't set up shop in Gotham. They're fear him more than they fear and hate mutants! :twisted:

2. We "certainly" have to make sure Reverend Stryker finds out the truth about Darkseid, don't we? :wink:

3. Have any superheroes besides the X-Men faced off against the Weapons Programs? And would these be kind of the weapons those programs would really desire to have? :lol:

4. What do you think would happen if the truth about the Celestials and the related secret genetic history of mankind were somehow revealed to the masses?
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:07 am

State of Mutant-Human Relations

The current level of prejudice on Earth-777 is a great deal better than Earth-616 but, unfortunately, quite a bit worse than on Earth-1.
The DCU gets the title of Earth-1 since Superman was the first superhero. This is, seriously, the criteria for Merlin naming realities.
Being identified as a mutant or metahuman doesn't necessarily result in loss of one's job, family, or automatic attacks by Sentinels but it does result in a great deal of complications. Mutants are subject to fear and suspicion but it is a subtle form of prejudice, for the most part, only becoming virulent with a (unfortunately) vocal minority.

Politicians can no longer make a career out of superhuman control measures but that doesn't mean there's not several powerful lobbies trying to push through disguised (or undisguised) legislation to deal with empowered humans. Demographics are shifting so that people are more accepting of mutants, particularly amongst the younger generation, but enough votes and special interest exist that superpowered legislation against them is a persistant threat.

Mutants aren't without a voice, either. Jefferson Pierce a.k.a Black Lightning became the highest ranking government mutant official under Lex Luthor's administration when he was Secretary of Education and has since served as a lobbyist for mutant rights ever since. Both Kord Industries and the Wayne Foundation have also worked tirelessly to counteract the efforts of anti-superhuman propaganda paid for by supervillains.

The biggest dangers to mutant citizens come from the radical anti-mutant factions of society, which are only a tiny percentage of the populace but make up it with the vehemence of their hate. The Friends of Humanity, Purifiers, and various other offshoots attempt to use violence as well as intimidation to force mutants into hiding.

Thankfully, their supervillain-activities have resulted in most of these groups being branded domestic terrorists by the more sane-leaning government. While the Friends are still technically legal, like the KKK, they are heavily monitored by SHIELD and members routinely get smashed by heroes. Recent hate-crime legislation passed, ironically called "Creed's Law", has severely curtailed their ability to function.
Creed's Law is so named because it was originally drafted by Graydon Creed's supporters during his "so radical only the most fringe-worthy nuts would vote for him" bid for President. However, intrepid reporter Clark Kent and Lois Lane revealed a great amount of graft as well as corruption during the attempted passage of this law. By the time it was passed, it had been so amended it now protected mutants.

Notably, the pair received near-constant death-threats and attempted kidnappings during this investigation. For some reason, they managed to get off fine. The Friends of Humanity have since started having a larger focus on aliens as a result.
Conspiracy theorists also speculate the reason behind the never-ending government programs designed to hunt mutants is due to the actions of a secret cabal of mutant-hating politicians, lobbyists, military officials, and figures called The Right. While the name is inaccurate, conservatives being no more (or less) inclined to hate mutants than liberals, this group actually exists.

Funded by Lex Luthor and Vandal Savage, it handles much of the "grunt work" of making life more difficult for the superpowered. It was responsible for H.A.M.M.E.R as well as much of the Weapon Plus programs' offshoots (such as CADMUS). The destruction and discredition of H.A.M.M.E.R plus the sheer lunacy of members like Cameron Hodge and General Eiling has weakened it tremendously. Its recent failed attempt to destroy New Krypton, however, shows it's still very dangerous.
The Apokolips-influenced parasite Sublime is believed to be a major force behind the Right. Whether this is true is anyone's guess, especially since said being recently turned its attention from Earth with the acquisition of its Sinestro Corps ring.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:29 am

Voltron64 wrote:1. I imagine the Bat is the reason why the Friends of Humanity haven't set up shop in Gotham. They're fear him more than they fear and hate mutants! :twisted:
Batman utterly despises bigots as a general rule but there's something about the Friends which really ticks him off, perhaps because he first encountered them trying to kill an eight-year-child after (nearly) killing their parents. As a result, he's done his best to make sure Gotham is a home for mutants who are actively looking to stay out of trouble. It's ironic that in a city infamous for his crime, the vast-vast majority of these mutants are law-abiding citizens who never give Batman reason to darken their doorstep.
2. We "certainly" have to make sure Reverend Stryker finds out the truth about Darkseid, don't we? :wink:
He's so far gone he thinks the Cosmic Devil is God and his followers are some of the dumbest people on the planet already, so revelation won't do much. However, at some point, Darkseid is likely to "reclaim" his follower and that is as pleasant a fate as anyone can imagine for the Reverend. It couldn't happen to a nicer guy, really.
3. Have any superheroes besides the X-Men faced off against the Weapons Programs? And would these be kind of the weapons those programs would really desire to have? :lol:
The CADMUS program is closer to Justice League Unlimited and Young Justice in this version, being heavily influenced/an offshoot of the Weapon Plus program. Likewise, other secret branches of the government like SHADE and the Suicide Squad show the DC heroes have no end of encounters with these jackasses. As for Final Fantasy-esque monsters? Under Grant Morrison, absolutely.
4. What do you think would happen if the truth about the Celestials and the related secret genetic history of mankind were somehow revealed to the masses?
Well, the bigots would try and point out aliens being responsible for mutants combines their two worst fears but the majority of the planet would become EXTREMELY ticked off a bunch of extraterrestial gods were trying to force humanity to exterminate itself. Humanity wouldn't be able to DO much against the Celestials (who are, each, individually as powerful as the Monitor and Anti-Monitor) but it would actually do a lot to undermine mutant-human prejudice.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:30 am

EnigmaticOne wrote:I'll see if I can't dig something out again, for maybe... Gorilla Grodd.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by EnigmaticOne » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:28 am

Gorilla Grodd

Human greed, short-sightedness and general callousness is wreaking immense harm upon the environment, and all animals not them. In time, the devastation will change the planet so to obliterate themselves, and yet the herds of man keep going. Are they so ashamed of their history that they deny evolution and make insults of primate phrases?

How dare they. HOW DARE THEY?!

Repeat the above enough, add spite, wounded pride, frustration and vengeance, and the well-intentions, and you get the proper mélange for Gorilla Grodd.

Gorilla City's culture has always been a benign, but insular one. Grodd was one of the first to venture into the jungles around in some time. It was literally upon his fifth outing that he stumbled upon poachers capturing and killing 'the unenlightened relations.'

With savage rage, Grodd killed them all (he had psychic powers even then and a gorilla physique of course), and never spoke of this to anyone. This did however, trigger a period of obsessive research into the world beyond and humanity.
With his genius and the advanced technology of Gorilla City, it was easy to get into the Internet, cable tv, etc.
Particularly with the rise of superhumans, this triggered a fear in Grodd. It really would only be a matter of time before Gorilla City became known to the human world, and they would seek to exploit it. Unfortunately, the popular opinion and venerable Solavar saw this as ridiculous and unjust extremism.

Then the Flash arrived in Gorilla City, just as Grodd mounted a coup. To be fair, Grodd had intended to keep the trouble to a minimum. He simply wanted to establish control over the city-state so that he could enact projects to have his home well prepared to weather the storm.

Unfortunately, the speeding human dashed everything, and Grodd was exiled.

Since then, Grodd has begrudgingly worked with other super-villains as he embarks of rounds of 'consciousness-raising', secret work to fix the environment, and revenge upon the Flashes and other aggravating superheroes.

The infamous ape-transformation plots have been meant to try and inject some understanding into human minds, but sometimes it's just spite. Grodd tries to be reasonable, but his own arrogance, and desire to punish humans for crimes against nature get out of hand.

The Flashes to him represent everything bad about humanity - gluttony, urban sloth - and the unacknowledged 'slights' ever since Gorilla City.

Dr. Doom and Lex Luthor are at turns aggravating and yet 'peers', self-interested immensely, yet intelligent and aware of safeguarding the environment and planet. Ra's once could have been a partner, but learning that he uses the Lazarus pits to actually return from the dead turned off Grodd.
Yes, Grodd hates the undead and similar types with a dangerous passion. He may use psychic tricks to avoid his own demise, but as he would carefully point out - there is a difference between avoiding death, and violating the natural order by not staying dead. If he indeed really died, he would accept his mortality with dignity.
In short, Grodd means well - but his darker flaws taint his efforts, and he is blind to them.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:53 am

Charles Phipps wrote:
The Apokolips-influenced parasite Sublime is believed to be a major force behind the Right. Whether this is true is anyone's guess, especially since said being recently turned its attention from Earth with the acquisition of its Sinestro Corps ring.
So the Sinestro Corps have their own version of Leezle Pon now? Lovely.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:58 am

Charles Phipps wrote:
Voltron64 wrote:
4. What do you think would happen if the truth about the Celestials and the related secret genetic history of mankind were somehow revealed to the masses?
Well, the bigots would try and point out aliens being responsible for mutants combines their two worst fears but the majority of the planet would become EXTREMELY ticked off a bunch of extraterrestial gods were trying to force humanity to exterminate itself. Humanity wouldn't be able to DO much against the Celestials (who are, each, individually as powerful as the Monitor and Anti-Monitor) but it would actually do a lot to undermine mutant-human prejudice.
I can imagine this become a popular line of thought for lots of people after such revelations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCuqR2l4Ztk

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:58 pm

Awesome version of Gorilla Grodd, though my version is hypocritical enough he'd come back to life if he could because REASONS.

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