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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:11 pm

Daibhid C wrote:I really love the Constantine and Stranger writeups.

Regarding the Squadron Supreme, might I suggest that the version of the Squadron Supreme 'verse that coincides with Earth-777 is also home to a version of the Champions of Angor?

It's a running gag that somehow it always seems to be the Avengers who have to deal with the Squadron and the League who have to deal with the Champions.
Glad you liked the Constantine write-up, wasn't sure what anyone thought. The silence was deafening.

Oh and don't forget the Maximums!

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by greycrusader » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:28 pm

All the analogues do get to be a bit confusing...in real-time chronology, the Squadron Sinister appeared first, in a story where they were brought together by the Grandmaster in a ploy against Kang, who used the Avengers as pawns; later Gerry Conway introduced the heroic but heavy-handed Squadron Supreme as parallel-Earth antagonists who butted heads with the Avengers. They exist in more than one parallel dimension of course, especially Hyperion. There of course is also the Ultimate Universe line of comics version of the team, the Supreme Power heroes (questionable in the case of some, such as Princess Power and Burbank).

The Champions of Angor/Assemblers/Justifiers/Meta-Militia's continuity is even more confusing as they were first pastiches of the Avengers who hailed from another Earth-like planet; but an editorial mistake later had them coming from a parallel world (Earth just by another name); then in the time after Infinite Crisis but prior to New 52, they were rebooted as the fascist government sanctioned antiheroes of Earth-8.

The Maximums were a Myxyzptlk creation/reality-bending scenario, so I'm not sure if they need to enter into things at all, especially as I remember the Batman/Superman book getting even more confusing at that point.

I still favor the idea of blending some DC elements with the Squadron Sinister, as this eliminates some needless duplication: perhaps Kyle Richmond/Nighthawk in 777 has a connection to Bruce Wayne similar to that of Hush or Wrath (the current version) but more fueled by jealousy and competitiveness than psychopathic impulses (allowing for his redemption). In 777, one reason Nighthawk moved to a more technology-based hero was to move away from Batman's long shadow.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by greycrusader » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:13 pm

Oh, and as far as the Shi'ar Imperial Guard go...yes, many of the "Super-Guardians" who "coincidentally" resemble Legion of Super-Heroes members who exist in the far-flung future were recruited from the same extraterrestrial races who help comprise the Legion. The shape-shifting Hobgoblin is indeed a Durlan, one who broke away from the strict social conformity of his own kind to seek adventure among the "solids"; Mentor is a Coluan (with a 10th level intellect) who was subjected to unethical cybernetic experimentation during the reign of the Computer Tyrants, and left Colu rather than face daily stigma and pity among his own people; the various Fangs and whip-wielding Hussar belong to sub-races of the Khunds, natives to formerly Khund-conquered worlds which were later seized and held by the Shi'ar Empire.

The Strontians (Gladiator's people) are the result of earlier, space-faring generations of Kryptonians interbreeding with the naturally psychic native people on one of Ancient Krypton's colony worlds; over the generations, the Kryptonian genes enhanced the Strontians physiques to the point where their bodies could withstand channeling their full psychic potential, to the point where elite Strontians such as Kalark and his sister Xenith were the equal of Daxamites.

(Despite his overwhelming reputation-helped immeasurably by Shi'ar propaganda-Gladiator is NOT equal to Superman in might, having been dealt clear losses to both Thor and the Hulk, and given a tough fight by Colossus. He is PL 13 when unaided by Shi'ar technology built into his costume, PL 14 Offense and PL 15 Defense when enhanced by his advanced scientific gear).

The shockwave-sending Earthquake is a silicon based life form, whose race is related to both the Elemental Dryad race (Strata of L.E.G.I.O.N., the later Blok) and more closely to the Kroans (Korg of the Incredible Hulk's Warbound group); The Guardsman Manta is an ancestor to Nightwind, an individual who serves in the Legion in a few rare timelines; The intangible Astra hails from Bgztl, just as does the 31st century's Phantom Girl, though how she ended up in service to the Shi'ar is unknown.(Bgztl is actually just an odd parallel world variant of Earth, which was partially phase-shifted to tangentially co-exist with other timelines by the intervention of "5th-dimensional" sorcerers/imps).

Of course, in many cases, similarities were simply the result of the teams each having large groups of diverse super-beings hailing from numerous alien races. Many powers-super-strength, heat and electricity manipulation, size-changing-are relatively common, with many Terran super-beings having such abilities.

The Imperial Guard's existence did help inspire Brainiac II to found his L.E.G.I.O.N./R.E.B.E.L.S team, which in turn influenced the founding of the future LSH.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:55 pm

Fun Fact: Originally Dave Cockrum created Nightcrawler for the Legion of Superheroes comic before being added as one of the All-New X-Men instead.

So that makes me think that in Earth-777, maybe there's a descendant of Kurt's who happens to be a member of the Legion? :wink:
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:28 pm

I still favor the idea of blending some DC elements with the Squadron Sinister, as this eliminates some needless duplication: perhaps Kyle Richmond/Nighthawk in 777 has a connection to Bruce Wayne similar to that of Hush or Wrath (the current version) but more fueled by jealousy and competitiveness than psychopathic impulses (allowing for his redemption). In 777, one reason Nighthawk moved to a more technology-based hero was to move away from Batman's long shadow.
The Squadron Sinister assembled by the Grandmaster was a group which he believed could assemble all of the potential talents of the Justice League without the pesky moral quandaries which hurt them so badly.
Searching several realities, he found the Squadron Supreme and found their tragic self-destruction to illustrate they were a kind of Justice League without the incorruptible moral fortitude that prevented them from being perfect pawns.

The Earth-616 Hyperion was a renegade member of the Eternals. A cousin of the royal family who desired to become leader, his revolt failed utterly and he was exiled to Microverse version of planet Earth. Reduced to the status of infancy, he grew up in an alternate version of Iowa only to become cruel and selfish. Kid Hyperion served as a Superboy villain in Smallville for a time and briefly tangled with Captain Marvel before ending up an incorrigible drunk.

His powers enhanced by the Grandmaster, Hyperion dreamed of replacing Superman and becoming a figure terrifying to everyone he met but he's fallen back into old habits. Repeatedly resurrected and cloned by the Grandmaster, he has continually returned to being little more than a thug.

Doctor Spectrum was created when a fragment of the Starheart was fashioned by the Grandmaster into a device that superficially resembled a Green Lantern ring in terms of abilities but was voracious and hate-filled. Kenji Obatu was the first of them but the actual wielder matters little since the prism corrupts all users.

Kyle Richmond was a Gotham City-born multi-millionaire who was always filled with an intense but one-sided rivalry with Bruce Wayne. His own parents had been killed in a plane wreck but, unlike Bruce, never found the proper outlet and he degenerated into the one-dimensional playboy that his rival had always seemed to be.

Eventually, Kyle Richmond learned of Thomas Blake and Floyd Lawton's extracurricular activities and decided to become a supervillain to deal with the immense boredom. Ultimately, though, he found he didn't enjoy bloodshed and tried to redeem himself. While his membership with the Thunderbolts was a complete disaster, he served well with the Defenders, and eventually became a member of Batman Inc.

James Sanders transformed into the Whizzer (later Speed Demon) when the amateur scientist managed to acquire samples of the Flash's blood and reverse-engineered it to bestow himself powers. James Sanders attempted to join the Rogues but their innate distrust of Speedsters and the fact James was such an obnoxious snot made it difficult.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:27 am

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T'Challa of Wakanda is an exceptional individual in a world of already exceptional individuals. The hereditary monarch of Wakanda, he has recently stepped down from his position but possesses such fame and power he could easily retake the throne. So far, T'Challa has no desire to do so because he no longer trusts himself with such decisions. Which is ironic given his most crippling character flaw is an almost Doctor Doom-levels of pride.

From birth, T'Challa has been educated by the finest tutors in the world and put through a punishing physical regime. Wakandan medicine meant he was a perfect physical specimen before he subjected himself to the magical root that bestowed upon him skills far beyond those of normal mortals. These, too, he supplemented with a vibranium battle suit capable of absorbing anything below an Iron Fish-enhanced blow.

T'Challa would have made an excellent monarch to the traditionalists of Wakanda but for the fact his father gave him a mission: bring his land to into the outside world. T'Challa might have turned against his father's vision for Wakanda (continuing his land's isolationalism for another few decades at least) if not for the fact T'Chaka died at the hands of Ulysses Klaw.
T'Challa's hatred for the Klaw is not only because the sonic villain inflicted such a crippling personal loss but he is such a PATHETIC villain. T'Challa considers it an insult his father died at the hands of a C-level Avengers villain whose only reason for survival is his incorporeal nature.
T'Challa has thus committed himself to freeing Wakanda from the shackles of tradition and bringing the land into the 21st century (which is hard for a society whose technology is closer to the 23rd). He made contact with the Fantastic Four first as part of a calculated attempt to introduce Wakanda through superheroes. T'Challa's keen intellect and political savvy made him believe he could move freer through the world stage by assuming the identity of a costumed crime-fighter than as a monarch.
He was right.
T'Challa's membership in the Avengers was less because he desired to be a member of the team than for the chance to spy on the world's most powerful people (as well as the unparalleled access to the First World's military secrets). Later, he would appreciate the Avenger's bravery, selflessness, and how many times they'd saved his homeland from threats they hadn't suspected existed. He decided to become the Black Panther to the world, helping all of its peoples.
T'Challa takes a special interest in the welfare of African Americans as well as Africans in general.
This is an uncommon attitude amongst Wakandans who see about as much in common with their fellow Africans as they do [insert demeaning reference of your choice]. T'Challa has opened up Wakanda to thousands of refugees and also run countless programs designed to improve the lots of these individuals.

Somewhat like the late Hugo Chavez, T'Challa took especial pride in helping alleviate the poverty of Americans as he considered this a nice shap in the United States' face (The USA's diplomats having frequently reacted in a patronizing fashion to Wakanda in particular and Africa in general).
Unfortunately, being the Black Panther to the world and monarch of Wakanda have frequently been at odds. T'Challa's charity efforts both abroad and at home have resulted in numerous groups banding together in order to overthrow him. Wakanda has never had a crime problem before and still doesn't but it does, now, have numerous issues with terrorists as well as extremist political movements. The White Wolf, the unfortunately named Man-Ape, Erik Killmonger, and the mad Bishop Acheb have all taken T'Challa's place as ruler at various times.
The White Wolf is one of the most bizarre subjects in these "back to tradition" movements as he is T'Challa's adopted Caucasian brother Hunter. Almost no one likes Hunter in Wakanda but he is one of the most deeply devoted Wakandans there is--acting twice the zealot for half the respect. Hunter knows it is not the quantity of one's friends but the quality, though, and has the loyalty of Wakanda's former secret police.

Bishop Acheb is a foe that T'Challa hates more than any of his other's, however. Bishop Acheb seduced T'Challa's stepmother into betraying the land and ruled over Wakanda using foreign mercenaries for a time--showing T'Challa as unable to protect his homeland in the eyes of the public.

The Man-Ape is a somewhat slow-witted (for a Wakandan--still genius level for everyone else) chieftain of the land who favors a "back to nature movement." He is a mystic of considerable ability as well as a shape-changer but little real threat. Amusingly, he has recently become a catspaw for Gorilla Grodd.

Erik Killmonger's father was conscripted by Ulysses Klaw then killed in battle, disgracing their family and causing T'Challa to exile them. This proved a big mistake as Erik Killmonger used this time to train himself and enhance his body until the point he has abilities equal to Deathstroke. He is unquestionably superior to T'Challa in every way and his greatest threat. Why? Most Wakandans agree Erik Killmonger would make a "better" king and this is knowing he would expel all foreigners.
T'Challa's has attempted to bolster his political position in Wakanda due to these by recruiting strange allies. These include Geo-Force, a fellow monarch and being capable of manipulating vibranium, and Wonder Woman. Paradise Island, ironically, proved the only group the Wakandans were willing to treat as equals. He attempted to bring outside mutants in with his marriage to the mutant Storm, herself capable of leveling armies, but that failed due to her heart being with the X-men.
T'Challa had thoughts of wooing Wonder Woman but found themselves ill-matched in temperment.
Amusingly, he found himself far more intrigued by Nubia. Not the least because T'Challa has a type.
The two countries have exchanged philosophy and technology fairly equally ever since. He's also bolstered Wakanda's ties with Arthur Curry's portion of the Atlantean Empire. This proved wise as Aquaman's assistance prevented the casualties from Namor's Phoenix-inspired attack from being much worse. Aquaman dislikes Black Panther's imperious ways but it has proven a boon to his people every bit as much as it has to Wakanda.

Unfortunately, T'Challa's arrogance has lead him to attempt to prove himself against superheroes a little out of his weight class. Because Wakandan kings rule by virtue of their claim to be the strongest and smartest, T'Challa has often sought to improve himself by showing his superiority over his fellow superheroes. T'Chaka did so with Captain America and much of the Justice Society during WW2 but T'Challa's attempts have gone over like a ton of bricks with other heroes.
Mostly because they think he could just ask them to spar.
Despite being an unparalleled mind, T'Challa has lost against virtually every single member of the Justice League he's challenged despite his incredible strategic abilities and a technological base on par with Latveria.

Superman, mesmerized into losing his powers, was briefly overwhelmed until he thought T'Challa was going to hurt someone and pushed himself to the point that he overwhelmed the vibranium's power to deflect attacks. Wonder Woman, simply put, defeated him utterly even with T'Challa's new anti-demigod battlesuit. Batman? Batman said he didn't have time for T'Challa's games so T'Challa MADE time.

T'Challa's abdication of the throne came soon after, even though the public reason was his inability to prevent Namor's attack.
In fact, T'Challa was INSPIRED by Bruce Wayne. The realization there was someone EXACTLY like him and capable of equaling Wakanda's finest told T'Challa the world was ready for his father's dream.

The two have since teamed up against Ra's Al Ghul, Bialya, a Hydra-HIVE alliance, and several other threats. Black Panther has even lead the Outsiders on occasions where Bruce has been tied up on other business.
Being retired from the monarchy and now the High Priest of the Dead has given T'Challa all the time to get to work on fighting REAL threats world wide. The pointers Batman gave T'Challa on his fight with Superman also allowed the Black Panther to defeat Black Adam when said figure decided to conquer Wakanda for self-justifying reasons.

Really, T'Challa has never been happier.
He has also started traveling with the White Tiger as a sidekick and is debating expanding his "family" further.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by greycrusader » Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:46 am

Excellent T'Challa write-up, Charles. Not an easy character to write about, as the Black Panther has been treated SO inconsistently in recent years, and spent nearly three decades before that treated as a second-or third-tier Avenger, despite his obvious influence and prowess. An inventive and strategic genius, with physical abilities to rival Captain America, who is also the hereditary ruler of an advanced, isolated civilization, and somehow the Black Panther mostly gets lost in the shuffle?

(And don't get me started on the Reginald Hudson run, or the "American Panther" come-down for the character.)

What I liked most was your note about how angry T'Challa is about his father being killed by Ulysses Klaw-before the villain even transformed into his nearly-indestructible solid sound form! T'Chaka just had the worst, unluckiest day of his life against an opponent he nearly would have disposed of within two minutes flat. That bad day cost him his life, and left young T'Challa without his father or his childhood.

This also does remind me how poor the quality of the Black Panther's opposition is, especially since even the Supremacists collapsed following the end of apartheid in Africa. T'Challa's foes are Man-Ape, Erik Killmonger, and similar losers? While super-beings might be rarer in Africa (aside from mutants and magic, there are not that many sources of super-powers outside of Wakanda), but after seeing the quality of his peer's rogues, the Panther almost feels ashamed-even Captain America has the Red Skull, the Zemo family, Crossbones, a few unstable doppelgangers, and AIM and HYDRA as enemies. At the same time, the Panther has to battle a nagging sense of insecurity about his own competence-he stands alongside Thor, Wonder Man, the Vision, the Scarlet Witch, Ms. Marvel and others who have vast powers, his training and the panther-herb do not quite make him the physical equal of Steve Rogers (T'Chaka won because Captain America was far less experienced at that point) and Iron Man wields superior technology (T'Challa is more of a generalist, though unparalleled in finding applications for Vibranium of course).

The Black Panther likely could win or at least rival any of the Avengers or Justice Leaguers however, if he was just willing to do what his closest counterpart Batman does: cheat. It's not that T'Challa considers Bruce Wayne (yes, he knows the man's identity) dishonorable..well, not exactly. But while underhanded or sneaky tactics such as booby traps, subterfuges, and psychological warfare can be justified against villains who similarly have no scruples, employing them in open combat, one-on-one challenges just strikes the Black Panther as vaguely demeaning, even when one is out-muscled or out-powered.

Oddly, I could see T'Challa actively seeking out and challenging A-list villains, just to establish his reputation and dispel any doubts about his ability to win against the toughest opposition.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:24 am

greycrusader wrote:Excellent T'Challa write-up, Charles. Not an easy character to write about, as the Black Panther has been treated SO inconsistently in recent years, and spent nearly three decades before that treated as a second-or third-tier Avenger, despite his obvious influence and prowess. An inventive and strategic genius, with physical abilities to rival Captain America, who is also the hereditary ruler of an advanced, isolated civilization, and somehow the Black Panther mostly gets lost in the shuffle?
I agree, the Black Panther deserves a lot more love and hopefully will get it. Part of the problem boils down to the fact the Avengers line-up is damn near always Captain America and Iron Man so T'Challa's role in the team is never going to be very solid. It's the same reason having Thor and the Hulk on the same team is redundant. Even so, I'd love to see the Marvel Cinematic version of T'Challa and what he might bring to things.
greycrusader wrote:(And don't get me started on the Reginald Hudson run, or the "American Panther" come-down for the character.)
Amusingly, what I liked most about Priest's run was he wasn't afraid to make T'Challa an unlikeable panther-bag as often as not. The Black Panther is AWESOME and exudes AWESOME in every scene he's in. He's got his fashion model bodyguards, his own country, and is a superhero and MAN does he know it.
Remembering he's an arrogant ass makes him interesting.
greycrusader wrote:What I liked most was your note about how angry T'Challa is about his father being killed by Ulysses Klaw-before the villain even transformed into his nearly-indestructible solid sound form! T'Chaka just had the worst, unluckiest day of his life against an opponent he nearly would have disposed of within two minutes flat. That bad day cost him his life, and left young T'Challa without his father or his childhood.
My explanation is vibranium provides no protection against sonic attacks (Captain America's shield's adamantium is what allows it to absorb Klaw's attacks). In short, Klaw got in a lucky shot with his prototype weapon and this is the "crowning" moment of his career.

It's one of the reasons T'Challa is so paranoid about unknown qualities as well since if a C-lister like Klaw can kill one of the most skilled, intelligent men T'Challa ever knew--he can never let down his guard.
This also does remind me how poor the quality of the Black Panther's opposition is, especially since even the Supremacists collapsed following the end of apartheid in Africa. T'Challa's foes are Man-Ape, Erik Killmonger, and similar losers? While super-beings might be rarer in Africa (aside from mutants and magic, there are not that many sources of super-powers outside of Wakanda), but after seeing the quality of his peer's rogues, the Panther almost feels ashamed-even Captain America has the Red Skull, the Zemo family, Crossbones, a few unstable doppelgangers, and AIM and HYDRA as enemies.
To be fair, even Panther doesn't consider Man-Ape to be that much of a threat and invited him to his wedding. He's basically to T'Challa what the Rhino is to Spiderman. Erik Killmonger is a figure, though, who is far more dangerous than he appears. Killmonger is no threat to the Avengers as a whole but, individually, is able to match T'Challa and then some. This, of course, means that the Black Panther is MORE inclined to face Killmonger alone since being outmatched is something he can't tolerate.

Oddly, I see the Black Panther as having a bigger role on Earth-777 than in Earth-616 as there's a lot more fairy-tale countries for BP to interact with. I could see him as serving as a guest star in numerous other books with Royal Superheroes (Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and so on) as well as being on other teams (The Avengers is an ill-fit but there's the Outsiders, various branches of the Justice League, and other opportunities).

I could also see the following DCU villains being opponents of T'Challa:

Deathstroke the Terminator
Black Adam
(for Batman vs. Superman-esque fights)
Ra's Al Ghul
Gorilla Grodd
Bane
Vandal Savage
Catman
(who is cool now)
greycrsuader wrote:At the same time, the Panther has to battle a nagging sense of insecurity about his own competence-he stands alongside Thor, Wonder Man, the Vision, the Scarlet Witch, Ms. Marvel and others who have vast powers, his training and the panther-herb do not quite make him the physical equal of Steve Rogers (T'Chaka won because Captain America was far less experienced at that point) and Iron Man wields superior technology (T'Challa is more of a generalist, though unparalleled in finding applications for Vibranium of course).
Yeah, I totally agree.
greycrusader wrote:The Black Panther likely could win or at least rival any of the Avengers or Justice Leaguers however, if he was just willing to do what his closest counterpart Batman does: cheat. It's not that T'Challa considers Bruce Wayne (yes, he knows the man's identity) dishonorable..well, not exactly. But while underhanded or sneaky tactics such as booby traps, subterfuges, and psychological warfare can be justified against villains who similarly have no scruples, employing them in open combat, one-on-one challenges just strikes the Black Panther as vaguely demeaning, even when one is out-muscled or out-powered.

Oddly, I could see T'Challa actively seeking out and challenging A-list villains, just to establish his reputation and dispel any doubts about his ability to win against the toughest opposition.
It would be an amazing sight even if, like so many of T'Challa's decisions, it would be the right one for the wrong reason.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Sidious » Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:22 am

I could also see the following DCU villains being opponents of T'Challa:

Deathstroke the Terminator
I can actually see Slade being T'Challa's friend from his old safari days. Kinda like he was with Beast Boy's adoptive father after his real parents went over the water fall (before Steve Dayton & Rita Farr).
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Libra » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:36 am

That is in fact one possibility and a very good one, but I'm playing with the idea that Angor is in fact an Alien world which - wonder of wonders! - actually resembles Earth fairly closely in terms of technological advancement and culture, if only for the novelty of this situation!

Another idea that I have played around with is that Angor was left so badly beaten up by the era of the Meta-Militia that it's heroes needed outside help and received it only after Batman and Superman were able to con old Myx into bringing the Maximums back into existence (no-one has ANY idea how they managed it, but rumours abound).


By the way Charles, fine work on your write-ups as ever (PARTICULARLY Constantine; if I have not posted more on the subject it's because I'm trying to finish up some research that will allow me to complete a long-promised, not yet delivered article - also I don't really know all that much about that Liverpudlian reprobate!).
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Libra » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:56 am

I would like to argue that while T'Challa can be full of his own glories and those of Wakanda, he USUALLY manages to hold back from tipping over from 'Arrogant' into 'Arrogant Jackass' with the enthusiasm of Namor (I imagine that Arthur likes T'Challa as a fellow King, but may sometimes suspect that acting as a superhero is almost a hobby for The Black Panther).


One last thought; Charles, you once compared Namor to Tyrion Lannister, but in my opinion you might just as well compare him to Ser Jaimie Lannister to roughly the same degree (which is to say not entirely, but at least in some respects - The Kingslayer's curious mix of Golden-Boy Arrogance and Little-Boy Disillusionment for example; how DARE people expect him to explain his actions like a grown-up, instead of turning into a Villain straight out of the R-Rated Mills and Boone rejects pile!).
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Post by Voltron64 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:17 am

Difference is Arthur's the one who lost a hand.

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Post by Libra » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:43 am

True, but at least Arthur remains more Beowulf - think Vladimir Kulich and the original sagas, not Ray Winstone or Neil Gaiman, both versions are excellent but the hero of the former remains a good bit wiser than the latter - than a particularly unloveable Sir Lancelot!
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Post by Voltron64 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:13 pm

Moral of the latter interpretation, Libra?

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Libra » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:58 pm

Either that or find a Eunuch! 8)
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