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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:30 pm

Undoubtedly.

In fact, I'm pretty sure this version of Crossbones has gotten killed and/or beaten up repeatedly since no one likes a Nazi and Neo-Nazis aren't any better.

I also could see this happening.

Darkseid offering the Red Skull ascension to Godhood on Apokolips.

The Red Skull turning it down because he intended to rule alone.

Darkseid then obliterating him with his Omega beams.

Why?

Evil doesn't have much respect for honesty.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:32 pm

Phrozen wrote:Marvel Secret Six (aka Waller's project when Osbourne took over the Suicide Squad):

-Bane -> Gladiator (Daredevil foe, not Kallark)
-Scandal Savage -> Diamondback
-Catman -> Constrictor
-Deadshot -> Cardinal
-Ragdoll -> Ringmaster
-Jeanette -> Black Mamba
Catwoman really hates Diamondback, or did until they got into a lengthy brawl over who was the world's best catburglar only to find out the latter was a huge fan. Felicia Hardy also got in on things as Selina Kyle was her rolemodel growing up as the Black Fox's protege. As a result, the three have formed their own Anti-Birds of Prey, called the "Claws and Fangs."

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:33 pm

Phrozen wrote:Marvel Secret Six (aka Waller's project when Osbourne took over the Suicide Squad):

-Bane -> Gladiator (Daredevil foe, not Kallark)
-Scandal Savage -> Diamondback
-Catman -> Constrictor
-Deadshot -> Cardinal
-Ragdoll -> Ringmaster
-Jeanette -> Black Mamba
Seems like half of the squad practically consists of the Serpent Society, Phrozen. (Which I imagine had some of DC's serpentine supervillians as members too in Earth-777.)

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Phrozen » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:34 pm

You are thinking of Black Cat. Diamondback is Cap's on again off again supervillian/anti-hero love interest.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:35 pm

Phrozen wrote:You are thinking of Black Cat. Diamondback is Cap's on again off again supervillian/anti-hero love interest.
I was seeing a three-woman team.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Phrozen » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:40 pm

Voltron64 wrote:
Phrozen wrote:Marvel Secret Six (aka Waller's project when Osbourne took over the Suicide Squad):

-Bane -> Gladiator (Daredevil foe, not Kallark)
-Scandal Savage -> Diamondback
-Catman -> Constrictor
-Deadshot -> Cardinal
-Ragdoll -> Ringmaster
-Jeanette -> Black Mamba
Seems like half of the squad practically consists of the Serpent Society, Phrozen. (Which I imagine had some of DC's serpentine supervillians as members too in Earth-777.)

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Well, they have all played anti-hero except for Ringmaster.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by hypervirtue » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:06 pm

Bane

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Bane...

The name brings involuntary shivers to many. He is a cold-blooded killer, a contract assassin, an unstoppable enforcer. He's the man who once broke the Bat.

Born in a prison in Santa Prisca, Bane was a lifetime inmate, serving time in place of his, at the time, unknown father. He had to be tough, he had to be hard, and he had to be smart in order to survive the hellish conditions that he was raised in. His intellect served as one of his greatest assets.

He read, he learned, and he studied. The inmates of Santa Prisca consisted of everything from hardened killers to Jesuit priests. The latter provided Bane with an education. His only friend was named Osito, a stuffed teddy bear with a hole in the back that bane concealed a knife in to protect himself.

As a child Bane made his first kill at the age of 8 years old.

Eventually he rose to a place of power, and was crowned the "King" of the prison. That honor only earned him a spot in a special program known as "Venom."

"Venom" was a new kind of synthetic steroid being developed as a part of the Weapon VIII trials. The secret trials were being tested using inmates, and in this case Santa Prisca was chosen due to it being considered international territory and thus escaping more than a few laws and oversight committees.

Venom was created by an attempt to replicate the Rex Tyler "Hourman" drug known as Miraclo, as well as the famous Erskin "Super Soldier Serum" that was used by the famous "Captain America." The idea was to create a serum that could grant temporary super strength in an individual that would last for as long as the chemical flow remained, but once the flow would stop the strength and enhanced abilities would also fade.

The plan, thus, was to create a breed of super solder that, if they ever went out of control, could have their powers cut off simply by denying them more of the drug. It was intended to be the perfect system of control.

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Venom was highly unstable, and most of the test subjects died, but where others died Bane thrived. After the initial tests proved that his body could withstand the chemicals the medical team began with the surgical aspect of the program. Bane would continue to thrive.

Implants were placed in the base of Bane's skull which allowed the medical team to attach tubes that would carry the venom directly into Bane's brain. This created almost an equilibrium within the subject which granted him a baseline level of sustained superhuman capabilities. However the doctors went further...

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They attached a device to Bane's wrist which allowed him to grant himself a temporary increase in venom flow, this allowed for heightened superhuman strength and durability for short lengths of time, and with this the killer that would become known as Bane would be complete.

There was a terrible cost to the venom though. The trials consisted of short bursts until the implants were installed, and as such Bane was constantly cycled into periods of withdrawal. The venom, it turned out, was highly addictive, which served as far as the doctors were concerned, as just another layer of control and not a drawback. These cycles caused Bane to suffer terrible nightmares where he would dream of things... Where he would dream of bats...

Bane knew he had to escape, and he planned on it, but Bane also understood the nature of addiction. He was far more intelligent than anyone had given him credit for. Even as he planned his eventual escape he memorized the formula so that he would be able to synthesize his own version of venom.

The dreams of the bats continued to haunt him. Somehow this, combined with the mentally destabilizing effects of venom, caused a delusion to form in the mind of Bane. He began to believe that he was destined to destroy the Batman, and that the Batman was the monstrous bats from his dreams. Eventually he was ready to make his move.

Using his enhanced strength, and his loyal followers, Bane broke out of the prison. His henchmen Trogg, Zombie, and Bird coming with him as he traveled to Gotham city. There Bane began to study the Batman. After weeks of study, Bane finally had a plan to destroy the monster from his nightmares.

The plan began by breaking all of the inmates free of Arkham Asylum. This caused the Batman to exhaust himself, both mentally and physically, as he rounded them up. Meanwhile, Bane, who had already discerned Batman's true identity, laid in wait at Wayne manor. When finally Batman arrived, exhausted and wary, Bane was there, and in the end he had indeed broken the Batman.

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While Batman suffering a broken spine and subsequently becoming a paraplegic other heroes took up the mantle to stop the rampaging Bane.

Three primary heroes became the main antagonists for Bane.

The first was Jean-Paul Valley, who had taken up the mantle of the Bat, in a much darker fashion.

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The second was Danny Rand, a Martial Artist who had met Bruce Wayne when the two were children. Both had lost their parents and found friendship in one another as they trained in the ways of martial arts together. Since Bruce could never reach a state of balance in himself and Rand was able to, the two were separated so that Rand could progress his skills, but the two had been aware of each other's identities having seen the other fight.

To a trained combatant a martial artist's style is as unique as a finger print, having heard about Bruce, and having seen this new Batman in action, Rand came to the conclusion that this new Batman was a pretender and his violent bent would besmirch his friend's name. Thus he came to Gotham to go after Bane as well as to retire this dangerous pretender to the mantle of the Bat.

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The third was someone who had no real relationship to Batman, but who did have a relationship, albeit a very distant one, with Bane. His name was Steve Rogers. Captain America.

It was revealed that Bane was a member of the weapon project. Something that Steve had an interest in knowing about. Feeling that he was somehow responsible for this monster that was rampaging through Gotham Steve Rogers took his hovercycle to the city of the Bat-Family and decided that he was going to take Bane down in the name of public service.

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Just before Jean-Paul Valley could reach Bane he encountered Iron Fist. The two began a brawl that carried them far away from the site of Bane. In the end Valley managed to convince Iron Fist that he had been asked by Bruce to carry on his legacy, and the two parted ways, peacefully. With Iron Fist pledging to keep an eye on him, while meanwhile Captain America had reached Bane in the stead of Valley.

Bane was simply no match for a combatant like Captain America. In almost embarrassingly short order the star spangled avenger managed to take the drug fueled killer down. The threat that he posed seemed to have been ended long before it even had a chance to truly begin.

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This would not be the end for Bane however...

The prison escapee would spend months in lockup, and would be completely deprived of the venom. Enough that his body reverted to a much worse state than it was in when he first began using it. Bane realized then that venom was a weakness. He was addicted to it, it made him sloppy, it was a liability that he could no longer afford.

When the Batman resurfaced and reclaimed his mantle from the pretender after receiving some initial training from Iron Fist Bane began making his own plans. He continued to push his body, rebuilding what the venom had taken from him. All in a plan to confront Bruce Wayne and defeat him again, this time without the drug...

His second attempt was wholly unsuccessful.

Without the superhuman powers from the venom and the exhausted Batman from the battles with the Arkham inmates combined with Batman's new martial arts prowess Bane stood no chance. Once more he was defeated, this time quite soundly, by the Batman. Bane felt broken... He prepared to spend the rest of his days in prison... Only fate stepped in once again to aid him...

Through the machinations of a team of lawyers, who were hired to represent Bane through an anonymous donor (this would later turn out to be Lex Luthor himself) Bane was released from Blackgate prison and sent to the mental ward of Riker's Island. The lawyers successfully argued that due to his harsh upbringing and the illegal drug testing that he underwent that Bane was not responsible for his actions and with the evidence they were able to bring forward, and some healthy bribes, the jury agreed.

Once in Riker's Bane was introduced to a man who offered him everything he could ever want. If Bane accepted to partake in a new experimental treatment he would gain more power than venom had ever been able to grant him as well as none of the addictive side effects. Bane was all too happy to sign on.

The plan, a joint venture by Lex Luthor and Curtiss Jackson, was to stabilize the Power Broker's super strength granting treatments. With which Luthor hoped he could gain superhuman abilities. Bane made the perfect test subject.

Bane was reborn. He was now more of a threat than he had ever been. His mind clear of the venom fog, and his body now beyond anything that was ever possible before. Bane is now a force to be reckoned with like never before, especially since he can now pulverize steel in his bare hands and hurl semi-trucks with ease. The superhuman, nearly invulnerable juggernaut is poised to be a new power player in the ranks of superhuman crime.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:28 pm

Nice work, hypervirtue.

(As well as an update/supplemental material to this.)
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:34 pm

Plus, Bane's recently gone and got himself a new mask.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:34 pm

Hell yes.

Remember, just because someone has been covered doesn't mean that you can't do your own version.

We're smart enough to avoid 100 versions of Batman.

OR CAN WE?

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:38 pm

No thoughts on hybridizing the comic and movie masks?
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:04 pm

A long tradition of our posts are inviting fellow posters to build on what we write. This is my attempt to do so for you, hypervirtue.
hypervirtue wrote:Venom was created by an attempt to replicate the Rex Tyler "Hourman" drug known as Miraclo, as well as the famous Erskin "Super Soldier Serum" that was used by the famous "Captain America." The idea was to create a serum that could grant temporary super strength in an individual that would last for as long as the chemical flow remained, but once the flow would stop the strength and enhanced abilities would also fade.
This wasn't the first time someone had tried to use Rex Tyler's work to supplement Doctor Erskine's own. Deathstroke the Terminator bonded with it successfully, some might say a little too well, and would have been perfect for their master plan if not for the fact almost everyone else died or went mad* using the same combination.

It's also why Deathstroke's kids have proven extremely capable of bonding with the formula.

* Deathstroke's Green Lantern-levels of willpower is actually what prevented it doing so with him and is responsible for his children's manic/psychotic episodes.

Weapon 8 and 9, as a result, was a brief venture into the field of cybernetics as well as robots with the deranged Nuke and Donald Pierce being products of such as well as other cyberentic 90s antiheroes. Weapon 10 was a return to weaponizing brainwashed mutants.
hypervirtue wrote:There was a terrible cost to the venom though. The trials consisted of short bursts until the implants were installed, and as such Bane was constantly cycled into periods of withdrawal. The venom, it turned out, was highly addictive, which served as far as the doctors were concerned, as just another layer of control and not a drawback. These cycles caused Bane to suffer terrible nightmares where he would dream of things... Where he would dream of bats...
Rex Tyler, of course, knew to moderate his formula to one hour a day versus 24/7 and superdoses of the stuff.

As for Bane's unusual decision to treat his fear of Bats by hunting down Batman, this was actually a hypnotic decision placed in his brain by Sublime and Savage. The two individuals having determined Batman was an individual who had the strategic and mental resources to direct the superhumans of the world against them.
hypervirtue wrote:The first was Jean-Paul Valley, who had taken up the mantle of the Bat, in a much darker fashion.
The Order of Saint Dumas was a result of Black Knight's time-traveling adventures and passing along advanced technology to the Knights Templar, who chose to build upon it to become a witch-hunting organization (sadly, killing mutants as well as other innocent superhumans).

The modern suit, however, was a result of combining stolen Stark technology with Jean Paul Valley's own advanced intellectual designs.

The Iron Wars marked Jean Paul Valley as a potential target with Stark planning to go against Wayne Industries--only for Batman to deal with Tony's attacks most severely.

(Amusingly, this version of Batman used the same techniques he recovered from to help Tony with his own later paralysis--and Tony would enhance them to pass them along to Barbara Gordon).
hypervirtue wrote:Bane was reborn. He was now more of a threat than he had ever been. His mind clear of the venom fog, and his body now beyond anything that was ever possible before. Bane is now a force to be reckoned with like never before, especially since he can now pulverize steel in his bare hands and hurl semi-trucks with ease. The superhuman, nearly invulnerable juggernaut is poised to be a new power player in the ranks of superhuman crime.
The scariest element isn't Bane's new access to super-strength and invulnerability, albeit a low-grade version of the stuff, but the fact this isn't enough. Humiliated by Danny Rand and Captain America, he has devoted himself to learning the ways of K'un Lunn Kung Fu and enhancing his abilities even further.

The heroes have created an even more dangerous foe than they could have possibly realized.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:05 pm

Voltron64 wrote:No thoughts on hybridizing the comic and movie masks?
Much better than the movie version.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:08 pm

Charles Phipps wrote: As for Bane's unusual decision to treat his fear of Bats by hunting down Batman, this was actually a hypnotic decision placed in his brain by Sublime and Savage. The two individuals having determined Batman was an individual who had the strategic and mental resources to direct the superhumans of the world against them.
They were only just delaying the inevitable. :twisted:
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:58 pm

Voltron64 wrote:They were only just delaying the inevitable. :twisted:
A bigger problem is that Bane figured out the addiction qualities, hallucinations, and mind-control were all done to him deliberately. It takes a great deal to rattle/upset Bane (versus his general, "Murder you if you irritate him") but messing with his mind is one of them.

So now they have Batman AND a eviler version of him (with super-strength and a weak version of the Iron Fist) after them.

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