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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:38 pm

Batman, Iron Fist, and the League of Assassins part 1

After his adventures in Wakanda, Bruce Wayne ventured to the fabled city of Nanba Parbat where he sought to learn their techniques for mastering the self. Despite the fact Rama Kushna could not quiet the demons inside his soul, Bruce Wayne learned the ways of martial arts combat from Richard Dragon and was told there were even higher mysteries he could seek.

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Nanba Parbat, you see, was one of eight Heavenly Cities (formerly twelve) which had once been the center for mystical enlightenment on Earth. Nanda Parbat was the only one which would remain in alignment with the Earth at all times as the others would only appear every ten years.

Bruce Wayne sought a hidden portal that would allow him to be able to visit this place even though the land was not in alignment. Becoming lost in a snowstorm, he sought shelter in a nearby cave and awoke in a city unlike any he'd ever seen. It was there that he was welcomed by Yu-Ti, the August Personage of Jade.

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"Bruce Wayne, it is here that you will train and learn the ways of K'un-Lunn. If you prove worthy, you will be bestowed the title and power of Iron Fist."

Bruce discovered he was not the only outsider being trained in the ways of K'un Lunn Kung-Fu. Westerner Danny Rand, heir to Wayne-Tech long-time rival Rand Industries, had spent his entire early life studying the ways of their fighting style. Their similarity was immediately noticeable and Danny felt Bruce's presence was an insult. During their first encounter, Danny easily defeated Batman.

Weeks later, Danny found it was not so easy to do so.

Months later, Danny was hard pressed.

After a year, they were equal in almost every way.
Time passing different in K'un-Lunn allowed Batman to spend time there without aging.
Danny started to severely doubt whether or not he would be able to achieve the mantle of Iron Fist and whether Bruce Wayne would inherit the title instead. Bruce, meanwhile, wondered if he wanted such an exotic title even as he entertained a romance with a woman visiting K'un Lunn named Talia.

Little did they know, it was all part of a larger scheme and their destinies would be far different than either expected.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:46 pm

Nothing's sacred to Ra's, is there?
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:55 pm

Voltron64 wrote:Nothing's sacred to Ra's, is there?
He has great respect for the Heavenly Cities. However, their secrets were needed for his purposes. Including their potions of immortality.

It's for the greater good.

Honest.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Phrozen » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:01 pm

Ra's would point out that of the immortals (Selene, Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister, Dracula, Vandal Savage, and himself) he is by far the most benevolent. Yes, most of humanity will die if Ra's succeeds in his plans but the remainder will live in an Eden like paradise.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:01 pm

Charles Phipps wrote:
Voltron64 wrote:Nothing's sacred to Ra's, is there?
He has great respect for the Heavenly Cities. However, their secrets were needed for his purposes. Including their potions of immortality.

It's for the greater good.

Honest.

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Ra's (and Lex Luthor's) Philosophy in a Nutshell

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by EnigmaticOne » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:05 pm

Phrozen wrote:Ra's would point out that of the immortals (Selene, Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister, Dracula, Vandal Savage, and himself) he is by far the most benevolent. Yes, most of humanity will die if Ra's succeeds in his plans but the remainder will live in an Eden like paradise.
And of course the proper counterpoint is that being more benevolent than those guys is a sucker bet. And honestly, the simple question: What if it doesn't work? Or even if it does, can it last?
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:07 pm

EnigmaticOne wrote:
Phrozen wrote:Ra's would point out that of the immortals (Selene, Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister, Dracula, Vandal Savage, and himself) he is by far the most benevolent. Yes, most of humanity will die if Ra's succeeds in his plans but the remainder will live in an Eden like paradise.
And of course the proper counterpoint is that being more benevolent than those guys is a sucker bet. And honestly, the simple question: What if it doesn't work? Or even if it does, can it last?
...........Oh that is good. :twisted:
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Phrozen » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:09 pm

EnigmaticOne wrote:
Phrozen wrote:Ra's would point out that of the immortals (Selene, Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister, Dracula, Vandal Savage, and himself) he is by far the most benevolent. Yes, most of humanity will die if Ra's succeeds in his plans but the remainder will live in an Eden like paradise.
And of course the proper counterpoint is that being more benevolent than those guys is a sucker bet. And honestly, the simple question: What if it doesn't work? Or even if it does, can it last?
Well, that is why he is a villain in addition to the kill 95+% of humanity thing.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:43 pm

Batman, Iron Fist, and the League of Assassins part 2

The Iron Fists have long been enemies to the League of Assassins. Some believe this is because of an ancient blood feud with the Sensei having been a Yuan-Ti of K'un-Lunn in ancient days. Others because the League destroyed three of the four lost Celestial cities. Danny Rand would come to the conclusion it was a fundamental difference of philosophy. The Iron Fists protect the weak, the League of Assassins kill those they believe are unworthy of life.

Ra's Al Ghul, despite killing three holders of the title in his long life, held great esteem for the Heavenly Cities. He considered them perfect representations of how society should be after he transformed the Earth. Unfortunately, his Lazarus Pits had already begun to fail him due to the trace pollutants leaking into the Earth's ley lines.
This corruption being part of the reason for the immediacy of his environmental crusade.
Ra's Al Ghul attempted diplomacy with the city of K'un-Lunn for their immortality technique, one of the many secrets they safeguarded, but was soundly rebuffed.

Yu-Ti could have been more...cordial with his response as this was Ra's Al Ghul's reaction.

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Fearing he would die heirless, Ra's Al Ghul enspelled his followers with tales of what they would be able to accomplish with K'un-Lunn's treasures while also speaking of their selfishness in not sharing their knowledge with the outside world. Talia Al Ghul was sent forward and the Daughter of the Demons Head supplied her father with vital intelligence about the city.

She also placed him in touch with a failed student of the Iron Fist path, The Steel Serpent. Promised the title of Iron Fist if he helped the league conquer K'un-Lunn, Ra's Al Ghul learned everything he could from Lei Kung the Thunderer's son.

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Aiding Ra's Al Ghul's army were Lady Shiva, David Cain, Merlyn, and a number of Golden Age supervillains drawn less by loyalty to the Demon's Head than the promise of vast riches. These latter beings, and a vast mercenary force, were used to soften up the armies of K'un-Lunn after Talia opened the gateway to their dimension.

At the cost of their lives.
In Ra's Al Ghul's opinion, those who lived for gold, deserved to die for it.
Danny Rand, watching so many friends and loved ones die fighting the League's forces, sought out the Dragon to achieve the power of Iron Fist. Against all odds, he not only succeeded in gaining the powers but was re-freshened enough to do battle with David Cain and win. Bruce Wayne, by contrast, armed himself with a variety of K'un-Lunn weapons and technological devices before taking the fight to the League's forces. In the end, Bruce destroyed the portal generator while Danny covered him and Ra's Al Ghul's plan failed.

But at great cost.

Bruce Wayne departed soon after, knowing Danny wanted and deserved the title of Iron Fist more, but knowing that he'd gained powerful tools in his war against crime.

He also knew the name of a future enemy.

And so had Ra's learned his.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:53 pm

Sometime in the future:

Bruce Wayne, the Hand, Silver Samurai, Wolverine, and more!

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:05 pm

Wonder what the relationship between the Hand and the League of Assassins is?
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:25 am

I wonder if Damien Wayne was conceived around this time.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:14 am

DC Video Game plots on Earth-777

There's plenty of room for more stories about the heroes and villains of Earth-777, even if some of them are different than others.

Injustice: Gods Among Us: Earth-773 is a brutal police state ruled by Superman after the destruction of Metropolis resulted in him executing the Joker followed by taking over the United States (after said government collapsed into economic, social, and political ruin as a result). Eventually, Superman and the Justice League began seizing more and more power from other nations until a One World Government was installed underneath his (apparently) benevolent reign.

This was achieved with the assistance of Tony Stark (whose family was killed while visiting Metropolis), Lex Luthor (who was never a villain), Charles Xavier (who, like his Ultimate counterpart, saw no reason not to meddle with minds), and a number of other superheroes whose behavior was significantly more extreme in this reality.
How extreme? Billy Batson killed Black Adam when he was seven-year-old, during their first battle.
Advised by the Wisdom of Saul.

The Wizard chose Billy for his brutality of heart.
Earth-773's resistance was headed by an alliance of Captain America, Batman, and Magneto. Unfortunately, Superman's brutality grew ever more extreme as his closeness to final victory increased. All mutants were drafted into his army from birth and inducted into his ruling class while those were resisted were destroyed. Magneto's murder at the hands of Superman was accompanied by Captain America dying at the hands of the Punisher's sniper rifle. Batman, knowing the battle was lost, retreated and worked to do what little he could to undermine the Emperor of Steel.

Eventually, this included seeking heroes from another world. Arming them with a temporary nanite-reinforced set of bodies that gave them the strength to fight Superman even if they were fragile mortals, the heroes managed to capture the dictator and bring him to justice on Earth-777 along with the rest of his inner circle. S.W.O.R.D fears retaliation from Earth-773 as they remain fanatically loyal to their despot.

Batman: Arkham Origins: A Christmas story related to young Damien Wayne by Dick Grayson combining elements of Knightfall, The Long Halloween, Batman: Year One, and a half-dozen other stories.

There were a few details which were fairly knew to the Bat Computer, though, including the fact that Edward Nygma briefly served as a superhero before taking on his villainous persona. "Enigma" attempted to rob the entirety of Gotham's elite of their wealth and blackmail them into honesty. Ultimately, though, Edward Nygma suffered a complete breakdown when Batman exposed his motivations as being ultimately self-serving to the entire world. Thus, was the Riddler created.
The Riddler has done his best to cover up this element of his past, especially that he was also the head of Gotham City's Cybercrimes division. The idea that he'd ever do something so mundane as being a POLICE OFFICER is a terrible secret he must suppress.

This has included murdering a number of the police officers alive during that time. Amusingly, Commissioner Gordon never bothered to learn the guy's name--a denial that stings the Riddler so much more keenly than knowing the truth.
One element that Damien didn't remotely believe was the Avengers showing up at the end to distribute Christmas presents as well as Daredevil's team-up with Batman to find the Kingpin (hiding in Gotham City from the Rose). Amusingly, those were also true stories to Batman's second Christmas in Gotham.

Batman: Arkham Asylum: Also known as the LAST breakout from Arkham Asylum. The Joker had a fairly typical plan of arming the inmates with Titan (a super-enhanced version of Venom created by combining it with Gamma-Radiation and DNA from the Abomination) before trying to kill Commissioner Gordon.

This particular escape was noteworthy for the fact the asylum was also filled with a number of Spiderman villains and Batman ended up having to be rescued by the notorious Wallcrawler. Batman's assistance prevented Peter Parker from being possessed by the dying Otto Octavius and the two managed to defeat the Joker's Hulk-enhanced form.

The events of this night were notable for the fact they would signal the end of the Joker, the end of the revolving door at Arkham, and usher in something terrible.
Batman actually laughed for the first time in front of the Joker, though, at the Spectacular Spiderman's heckling.

Which may explain why the Joker became suicidal in Arkham City.
Batman: Arkham City: Having used his "salvation" of Gotham City after the Great Earthquake to get elected, Lex Luthor was less willing to pay the check for rebuilding. Instead, with the assistance of Norman Osbourne, they created plans for a massive prison called Arkham City. Literally, they intended to turn a quarter of Batman's city into a gigantic American Gulag.

Pardoning Doctor Hugo Strange and placing him in charge (as a VERY silent partner), Lex Luthor commissioned massive Sentinels to guard the place and prepared it as a holding area for mutants, political dissidents, and other people who would serve as enemies to his regime.

Batman WOULD have stopped this NIGHTMARE even if he had to blow up the Sentinels himself but was away from Gotham City for half-a-year recovering from the death of Darkseid. Dick Grayson, despite his many skills, proved unable to challenge events and mostly did his best to get prisoners out of the disgusting place.

In the end, after his resurrection, Bruce Wayne was dumped into the prison and managed to uncover Ra's Al Ghul's plans to kill the half-million prisoners within. The cavalry arrived in, of all people, Magneto and the X-men who eradicated the walls and helped the innocent as well as guilty alike escape. Perhaps the most telling element was, faced with an example of humanity's purest evil, Magneto spared the city due to the heroic efforts of Earth's greatest homo sapien.

These events lead to the collapse of Norman Osbourne's regime and Lex Luthor formally removed from office.

Oh and the Joker apparently died along with Talia. I wonder how long that will last. :roll:
Maybe longer than people expect as imposters have already appeared for the Joker from long-time Arkham patients but Harley Quinn's "pudding" remains in the ground.

Talia also became very belligerent when she next showed up--leading some to believe she's suffering from Lazarus Pit madness or may be an imposter.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by EnigmaticOne » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:49 am

Charles Phipps wrote:Batman: Arkham Origins: A Christmas story related to young Damien Wayne by Dick Grayson combining elements of Knightfall, The Long Halloween, Batman: Year One, and a half-dozen other stories.

There were a few details which were fairly knew to the Bat Computer, though, including the fact that Edward Nygma briefly served as a superhero before taking on his villainous persona. "Enigma" attempted to rob the entirety of Gotham's elite of their wealth and blackmail them into honesty. Ultimately, though, Edward Nygma suffered a complete breakdown when Batman exposed his motivations as being ultimately self-serving to the entire world. Thus, was the Riddler created.
The Riddler has done his best to cover up this element of his past, especially that he was also the head of Gotham City's Cybercrimes division. The idea that he'd ever do something so mundane as being a POLICE OFFICER is a terrible secret he must suppress.

This has included murdering a number of the police officers alive during that time. Amusingly, Commissioner Gordon never bothered to learn the guy's name--a denial that stings the Riddler so much more keenly than knowing the truth.
The thing is Enigma was at that time, a dark mirror to Batman. Both were more or less top-notch figures who thought that they were the best, that they knew how to do things better than anyone, everyone else were dimwits... save Gotham, and their methods were not as pure as they dressed them up.

Granted, Enigma murdered multiple people, innocent and not-so in his case, but if it weren't for those, his points that "People do get hurt because of you" and others would have had a lot more punch to them.

And both found failure extremely harsh - Batman took down Ridder's network and plan in one night, and Batman's hallucinations over the inability to save Loeb and the bank teller - plus Bane casually trouncing him in fight one, knowing his secret identity and nearly killing Alfred...

Both had a sucky night. The difference, of course was Alfred. Having your lifelong confidante and guardian saying it was ok to accept help and that there's always a bigger fish makes the pill easier to swallow. Enigma didn't even have that much of a support network and thus descended downhill rapidly.
One element that Damien didn't remotely believe was the Avengers showing up at the end to distribute Christmas presents as well as Daredevil's team-up with Batman to find the Kingpin (hiding in Gotham City from the Rose). Amusingly, those were also true stories to Batman's second Christmas in Gotham.
He's a little brat. :P

To be fair, he comes by it honestly. First brought up grandson of Ra's Al-Ghul, daughter of Talia, whom in the Demon's Head ideology are pretty much along the lines of the Jesus Savior and Holy Daughter. And even as Batman's son, he's the blood scion of one of the world's most intelligent, wealthy, powerful, superior men ever.

It's frankly hard to easily correct. Bruce doesn't have the swelled head so much, but that's admittedly Crime Alley's achievement. Like the Buddha, young Bruce learned he was not exempt from death, tragedy, etc.

In fact, Damien is the only one of the Batfamily yet to absorb this.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:30 pm

I agree entirely, Enigmatic One.

I'll even put those thoughts on the front page and MAKE SURE to credit you.

(Sorry about that)

In the case of E. Nigma, I'm inclined to think a lot of supervillains start with the perspective they're heroes and it's only when they're tested in some way do they degenerate into the worst sort of criminals. In the case of E. Nigma, he realized that he didn't want to leave any loose ends and it was his fear of being caught that made him a murderer and almost causally so too. After all, he was a big person and the little guy was a minor detail to his greater plans.

The reason Batman never kills? Because as soon as he plays the numbers game, he's going to realize he can't stop.

That and it's doubly effective against criminals, surprisingly enough. If you kill a criminal, they will just think they were stupid. If you defeat a criminal, you will potentially break his spirit and maybe-just-maybe get him to rethink his life and reform. Even the Joker, who challenges Batman's code more than anyone knows that he could have sparked an epic murder spree world-wide by now if not for the fact he's considered now only in his opposition to Batman.

And that really irritates him!

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