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Postby Godfallen » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:26 am

Bravo wrote:Well Godfallen - I am not sure if you are familiar with DC's Tangent Comic characters but I would love to see your take on: The Flash - The Atom - The Joker - Green Lantern - Plastic Man - Spectre - Manhunter (and pooch).

hhmmm...Joker I'll do...Manhunter....Plas....Spectre is basically a PLX...so I can't even touch him....I kinda wanna stay away from a GL...but I might take that on....It'll have to be after the weekend...I got a concert Saturday (jsut in case anyone missed it...thats my line of work), and Gaming day is Sunday.
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Postby Bravo » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:38 am

Godfallen wrote:
Bravo wrote:Well Godfallen - I am not sure if you are familiar with DC's Tangent Comic characters but I would love to see your take on: The Flash - The Atom - The Joker - Green Lantern - Plastic Man - Spectre - Manhunter (and pooch).

hhmmm...Joker I'll do...Manhunter....Plas....Spectre is basically a PLX...so I can't even touch him....I kinda wanna stay away from a GL...but I might take that on....It'll have to be after the weekend...I got a concert Saturday (jsut in case anyone missed it...thats my line of work), and Gaming day is Sunday.


Cool deal - if it helps some here is a link to the DC Tangent comic info on wikipedia. Of all the characters they redid for the series the Joker and Plastic Man are my favs!
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Bruce Banner - PL 13!!!!!

Postby Godfallen » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:24 pm

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PL: 13
PP: 192

Abilities: STR 13; DEX 15; CON 13; INT 26; WIS 19; CHA 15

Saves(13): Tough 3 (+1 from jacket); Fort 4; Ref 4; Will 5

ATK: 5
DEF: 14
INI: 2

FEATS: Ambidexterity; Benefit (4 ranks; Alt Identity); Connected; Eiditic Memory; Endurance (2 ranks); Equipment (3 ranks); Hide-in-plain-sight; Inventor; Jack-of-all-trades; Luck (2 ranks); Quick Change; Second Chance {Mind Control}; Seize Ini; Tough (2 ranks); Ultimate Skill (2 ranks, Disable Device, Notice); Ultimate Save (1 rank; Tough); Well Informed

POWERS: Boost: Str (13 ranks, Flaws: Personal; Subtle)
--AP: Boost: Fort Save (7 ranks)
--AP: Boost: Will Save (7 ranks)
--AP: Boost: Super Str (3 ranks)
Morph (5 ranks; Extra: Continous; Flaws: Limited {Only during stress}; Feat: Metamorph x3)
Quickness (4 ranks, Flaws: Mental only)
Immunity (10 ranks: Poison, Disease, Gamma Radiation, Aging {limited}, Starvation {Limited}, Mental effects {limited})
Astral Form (4 ranks; Flaws: Unreliable, Check required {Concentration; DC 25}; Feats: Dimensional {Inner Astral Plane})

Skills: Bluff 8; Climb 5; Computers 14; Concentration 11; Craft (electronics) 13; Diplomancy 11; Disable Device 13; Disguise 8; Drive 4; Escape Artist 5; Gather Info 6; Knowledge (Biology) 16; Knowledge (Chemistry) 16; Knowledge (Engineering) 14; Knowledge (physiology) 15; Knowledge (Nuclear Physics) 18; Notice 11; Search 6; Sense Motive 8; Stealth 6; Survival 7; Swim 5

Equipment: Leather Jacket (1 EP; +1 tough)
PDA (1 EP)
Labtop (1 EP)
Multi-Tool (1 EP)
Knife (3 EP)
Binoculars (1 EP)
Hold Out Pistol (4 EP)
Backpack (1 EP)

Drawbacks: Involuntary Transformation (Morph - 3 pp)
Full Power (Morph - 1pp)

Complications: Enemies (Abomination, Leader, Absorbing Man, Various Branches of the U.S. Military, etc)
Secret (Being Bruce Banner, the Hulk)
Temper
Phobia (being used as a weapon)


Back Story: Bruce Banner...a brilliant man with a terrible secret. He was the leading scientist in the development of the incredibally powerful Gamma Bomb. During the first field test of the GB, Banner ran out onto the test site to save teenager Rick Jones from the deadly blast of the Gamma Bomb. Banner was bombarded with incredable amounts of Gamma Radiation....and it effected him down to a cellular level. Banner was mutated into the massive behemoth that world has come to know as THE INCREDIABLE HULK!!!!.
Banner became a man on the run...running from the military (who wanted to use him as a weapon)...running from his "past life" (so not to endanger those he loved)..but most of all...trying to run from the monster that lay within him.
In times of great stress, Banner is transformed into the Hulk, a being of incredable strength and ability that has, at times, seemed unstoppable. Banner has also knoticed that, from time to time, the monster itself will have different forms: a strong, somewhat intelligent grayish form; a green form with unknown limits of strength durability, and regeneration; and a form that combines the power of the monster with all the intelligence of Banner himself. These forms seem to come and go as they please, though some theorize that they revolve around deep psycological problems within Banner himself.

Savage Hulk

Grey Hulk

**ONLY I am insane enough to create Bruce Banner, the human form of the Hulk, as a PL 13 character....and now I will explain how...and why.

First off...if you believe Banner to be without powers of his own...you are mistaken. He does have powers that stem from the Monster itself...he just uses them only in extreme cases. Banner has been documented being able to call upon portions of the Hulks Str and durability from time to time, as well as having the creatures immunities to disease & poison. He also is immune to the effects of any further exposure to Gamma Radiation, as well as being able to hold off effects of starvation, aging, and mental effects.

Banner is also EXCEPTIONALLY quick minded, able to come up with solutions to problems with insane quickness. He can defuse a Nuclear device of someone else's making in a matter of a few minutes.

Banner has also exhibited the ability, through deep concentration, to put himself into the Inner Astral Plane, and converse with fugures such as Dr. Strange from miles and miles away. He has also battled dangerous mental variations of the Hulk upon the Inner Astral Plane.

This version of Bruce Banner is also a version that I see being on the run for a long time, so I gave him appropriate feats and skills.

Banner get the Benefit of Alt Identity because he has created entire persona's for himself, including official looking ID's, birth certificates, medical records, tax documents, etc. If he can't create it for himself, Bruce can use his Connected feat to get the job done.

Bruce gets 2 ranks of Endurance from having to survive in the wild while traveling cross-country and hiding from authorities. Because of this, Bruce also gets three ranks of Equipment, as he is not a stupid man and will have ways to contact certian people and get through many different situations with his multi-tool and Jack of all Trades feat.

Quick change is there to show that Bruce is VERY quick at changing clothes to quickly escape detection, as a quick change in clothes and a swift shave can make you look like a different person.

Bruce has pretty much every skill needed to survive the wild and his long treks across the country, as well as his High set of knowledge skills, as he is considered an expert in several fields, and holds a PhD in Nuclear Physics (he still holds a college test score in Nuclear Physics thats not been surpassed by anyone).

.....and for those skeptics on my theory of Bruce being a Metamorph character (to transform into the Hulk)...If you can create a PL 10 Hulk...PL 13 isn't that hard at all...and that build will be up soon enough...probably sometime next week.
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Postby TheFinalSon » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:36 pm

Cool! So if I have this right you've statted him just from the trailers? Along with seemingly bits of things from World War Hulk and such, so I guess this is just an all-around version of up-to-date, let's just call him "Bruce Banner '08" from across all current sources?
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Postby Godfallen » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:55 pm

TheFinalSon wrote:Cool! So if I have this right you've statted him just from the trailers? Along with seemingly bits of things from World War Hulk and such, so I guess this is just an all-around version of up-to-date, let's just call him "Bruce Banner '08"?


Actually...sorta...It is actually Banner as he was depicted BEFORE WW HULK, during the time when Bruce Jones had his run writing "THE INCREDIABLE HULK" in 2002-2004, where Banner was on the run ALOT, ran into many, MANY characters that worked to try and manipulate him and the Hulk, as well as having the most time exhibiting the powers I have given him above.

Thank you Bruce Jones....thank you VERY much.
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Savage Hulk-PL 13

Postby Godfallen » Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:59 pm

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OHHHH YEAH!!!....I mean...HULK SMASH!!!!

PL: 13
PP: 192

Abilities: STR 35; DEX 12; CON 28; INT 7; WIS 14; CHA 7

Saves: Tough 9 (+8/ ALL Imperv); Fort 9; Ref 1; Will 2

ATK:2 (4 melee)
DEF:16
INI:1

FEATS: All Out Atk; Atk Focus (2 ranks; Melee); Chokehold; Crushing Pin; Fearless; Fearsome Presence (3 ranks); Improved Critical (4 ranks; Unarmed); Improved Grab; Improved Grapple; Interpose; Power Atk; Rage (6 ranks); Takedown atk (2 ranks);

POWERS: Enhanced Str (13 ranks)
Enhanced Con (12 ranks)
Growth (6 ranks; Extras: Continous; Flaws: Permanent; Feats: Innate) [19]
Super Str (11 ranks: Feats: Ground Strike, Thunderclap, ShockWave) [27]
-Leaping (7 ranks)
-Immovable (7 ranks; Extras: Unstoppable)
Immunity (17 ranks; Cold, Heat, High Pressure, aging {Limited}, Vacumm {limited}, Starvation/Thirst, Mental Effects {Limited}, Critical Hits, Bullistics) [17]
Regeneration (14 ranks; Feats: Persistant, Diehard, Regrowth) [17]
Impervious Protection (8 ranks) [25]
Super Senses (3 ranks; Spiritual Awareness, Direction Sense, Distance Sense) [3]
Morph (5 ranks; Extras: Continous; Feats: Metamorph x2) [12]

Skills: Climb 5; Intimidation 10; Notice 4; Swim 5

Drawbacks: Full Power (Morph -1)
Involuntary Transform (Morph -3)

Complications: Enemy (Abomination, Leader, US Military, Absorbing Man, etc)
Hatred (Puny Banner)
Reputation (Monster)
Rivalry (Anyone Stronger than Hulk)
Temper

Back Story: The Incrediable Hulk, the Savage Version. A man trapped in a monster, the Hulk has the intelligence and temperment of a child, but the strength and durability that ranks higher then many gods.

**Wow...this is the first build in a long time I had to do with paying attention to costs everywhere. This one had to be PRECISE as hell, so as to work with my metamorph theory for Hulk.

First off...I was worried about the Atk, until I remembered that your STR bonus counts in Melee atks...and if it's anything that the Hulk does best...it's MELEE. His highest atk total, when in melee (with feats), is a 26 to hit...It helps having huge fists.

He has a higher Immunity them most other Hulks I've seen on the Forums, having resistances to aging, vacumms, and mental effects, and being completely immune to Critical Hits, Ballistics, Cold, Heat, High Pressure, and Starvation/ thirst.

His lifting capacity, at max ( no extra effort), gives him a 12.2k heavy laod...about the weight of a cruiser...yeah...seems about right for Savage Hulk..his push/ drag is 64k tons, letting him drag a battleship with ease, as a battleship is only 50k tons in MM standards. Whats the differance between a Cruiser and a Battle ship? about 2 ranks of Super Str.

The Hulks Grapple Check, at Max, sits at a highly Impressive 52 for the big guy...YIKES....(Black Adam 2040 just fainted)

Anyway...I will have the Grey Hulk up in a few days....I don't think I will be doing Professor Hulk..because there is no real way to balance P. hulks INT and Knowledge with all that str and ability....not as a PL 13
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Re: Savage Hulk-PL 13

Postby The Ilethryl Knight » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:32 pm

Godfallen wrote:Savage Hulk

Complications: Enemy (Abomination, Leader, US Military, Absorbing Man, etc)
Hatred (Puny Banner)
Reputation (Monster)
Rivalry (Anyone Stronger than Hulk)
Temper


This is a cool Hulk build. But hey, what's with the Rivalry complication. Anyone stronger than the Hulk? NO one strong as Hulk! HULK STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!!! :wink:
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Re: Savage Hulk-PL 13

Postby Godfallen » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:45 am

The Ilethryl Knight wrote:
Godfallen wrote:Savage Hulk

Complications: Enemy (Abomination, Leader, US Military, Absorbing Man, etc)
Hatred (Puny Banner)
Reputation (Monster)
Rivalry (Anyone Stronger than Hulk)
Temper


This is a cool Hulk build. But hey, what's with the Rivalry complication. Anyone stronger than the Hulk? NO one strong as Hulk! HULK STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!!! :wink:


no...their isn't anyone stronger then Hulk...but many a battle with Juggernaut, Thing, and Thor have come from Hulk thinking that they think their stronger.
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Grey Hulk - PL 13

Postby Godfallen » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:06 am

Grey Hulk
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Hulk sorry he broke tricycle...Hulk go stand in corner....

PL: 13
PP: 192

Abilities: STR 30; DEX 14; CON 25; INT 12; WIS 16; CHA 11

Saves: Tough 7 (+7 ALL Imperv); Fort 7; Ref 2; Will 3

ATK: 3 (5 Melee)
DEF: 17
INI: 6

FEATS: Accurate Atk; All Out Atk; Assessment; Atk Focus (2 ranks; Melee); Chokehold; Contacts; Distract (2 ranks); Dodge Focus (1 rank); Facsinate (2 ranks); Fearless; Fearsome Presence (2 ranks); Improved Critical (2 ranks; Unarmed); Improved Grab; Improved Grapple; Improved Ini (1 rank); Improved Throw; Improved Trip; Interpose; Power Atk; Rage (4 ranks); Startle; Takedown Atk (2 ranks);

POWERS: Enhanced Str (12 ranks)
Enhanced Con (11 ranks)
Growth (4 ranks; Extras: Continous; Flaws: Permanent; Feats: Innate)
Super Str (9 ranks: Feats: Ground Strike, Bracing, Counter Punch, Thunder Clap)
-Leaping (5 ranks)
-Immovable (4 ranks; Extras: Unstoppable)
Immunity (16 ranks; Cold, Heat, High Pressure, Starvation/Thirst, Mental Effects {Limited}, Critical Hits, Bullistics)
Regeneration (12 ranks; Feats: Persistant, Diehard, Regrowth)
Impervious Protection (7 ranks)
Super Senses (4 ranks; Spiritual Awareness, Direction Sense, Distance Sense, Lowlight)
Morph (5 ranks; Extras: Continous; Feats: Metamorph x2)

Skills: Climb 4; Disguise 8; Intimidation 12; Notice 8; Sense Motive 8; Swim 4

Drawbacks: Full Power (Morph -1)
Involuntary Transform (Morph -3)

Complications: Enemy (Abomination, Leader, US Military, Absorbing Man, etc)
Hatred (Puny Banner)
Reputation (Monster)
Temper

Back Story: The Grey Hulk...Joe Fixit...a weaker, but more cunning Hulk. This is the ORIGIONAL form of Hulk, and, while weaker then it's green, savage counterpart, he is crueler and more cunning, even once working as a Las Vegas Legbreaker for the mafia, taking the name of Joe Fixit.

**This is my PL 13 Grey Hulk, another build that connects with my PL 13 Bruce Banner. While slightly weaker then Savage Hulk, Grey hulk is no laughing matter, and comes with a higher atk and defense then Savage. He also comes with more skills and Feats, to represent his increased intelligence and Cunning. He will use Intimidation more (Distract, Facsinate, Fearsome Presence, Startle) to get people to do what he wants then Savage will, and that stems more from his Joe Fixit years then natural ability.

He only gets a +6 to str from Rage, rather then the full +8 he would get, and his rage last abour the same time as Savage's, though Grey doesn't use it as much.

The majority of his powers are weakened, but what he looses in power, Grey hulk makes up by being faster and being able to hit a more then Savage, who relies on more "large damage" then being able to HIT the opponent.

I would consider Grey Hulk to be very much ON PAR with Thing in a fight.
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Postby The Ilethryl Knight » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:58 am

Godfallen wrote:Savage Hulk

First off...I was worried about the Atk, until I remembered that your STR bonus counts in Melee atks...and if it's anything that the Hulk does best...it's MELEE. His highest atk total, when in melee (with feats), is a 26 to hit...It helps having huge fists.


I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but STR bonus does NOT count in melee attack rolls in M@M. It only counts for damage.
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Postby JackGiantkiller » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:43 pm

Yeah. We hgad this discussion over in J-Mart. He' using an optional rule from Mastermind's Manual.
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Postby The Ilethryl Knight » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:57 pm

JackGiantkiller wrote:Yeah. We hgad this discussion over in J-Mart. He' using an optional rule from Mastermind's Manual.


Yeah, I was looking through J-Mart just minutes after I posted that and saw the discussion. Sorry 'bout that.
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She-Hulk PL 12

Postby Godfallen » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:20 am

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PL: 12
PP: 181

Abilities: STR 30; DEX 14; CON 26; INT 18; WIS 17; CHA 15

Saves: Tough 8 (+6 Imperv); Fort 8; Ref 2; Will 3

ATK: 6
DEF: 17
INI: 6

FEATS: All OUt Atk; Assessment; Atk Focus (2 ranks, Melee); Attractive (3 ranks); Crushing Pin; Connected; Contacts; Defensive atk; Dodge Focus (3 ranks); Elusive Target; Endurance (1 rank); Evasion (1 rank); Fascinate; Improved Block; Improved Grab; Improved Grapple; Improved Ini (1 rank); Power atk; Takedown atk; Well-informed

POWERS: Growth (3 ranks; Extras: Continous; Flaws: Permanent; Feats: Innate)
Enhanced Str (12 ranks)
Enhanced Con (11 ranks)
Super Str (7 ranks)
-Leaping (4 ranks)
-Immovable (3 ranks)
Impervious Protection (6 ranks)
Regeneration (8 ranks; Feats: Persistant)
Immunity (10 ranks; Cold {Limited}, Heat {limited}, High Pressure, Starving/thirst, ballistics, critical hits)

Skills: Bluff 7; Diplomancy 11; Gather Info 11; Intimidate 7; Investigate 11; Knowledge (Superhuman law) 12; Knowledge (Criminal Law) 13; Profession (Lawyer) 13; Sense Motive 11;

Complication: Heightened Sex Drive

Back Story: Jennifer Walters, successful New York Attorney, underwent an amazing change after recieving a blood transfusion from her cousin, Bruce Banner. She was changed into a tall, muscular, green femme fatale. Calling herself She-Hulk, Jenn became a superhero, both inside and outside the courtroom. As She-Hulk, she retained all that attitude and intellegence of her former human form, unlike her cousin Bruce. She has held places on many notable superhero teams, including the FF, The Mighty Avengers, and the Last Defenders, though many times she prefers to work alone. Jennifer Walters is "when Beauty mets the Beast".

**I just figured I would get her out there, since I did up the Hulk...kinda follows through.

I did She-Hulk as the 80-90's version, where she didn't change back, and was the ....green....bombshell that we all (guys) drooled over (don't lie).
She's not as strong as either of the hulks, but she can hold her own against the Grey version MUCH longer then she would Savage Hulk. She is a smart fighter, adding brains and brawn, along with her boxing training.

I think the ONLY thing that makes my build stand out from anyone elses is the complication of her heightened Sex Drive. I don't buy the fact that "an alternate She-Hulk slept with Juggs"...nope..sorry...thats really poor re-conning. I thought that last page was hilarious...withthe bed all busted n stuff...but I KNOW ppl complained, so Marvel re-conned it....sissy's.

She-Hulk does have ONE trick up her sleeve that her cousin doesn't have...but their's really no way to rep it properly that I could find. She gets stronger by working out. The CURRENT version can go to the gym....gain lean, defined muscle....and She-Hulk gains more str because of it. If Jenn becoems faster, She-Hulk is faster. That doesn't happen with Bruce. Each of his forms have a base str that does fluxuate with his str.
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Metamorph Hulk Theory points

Postby Godfallen » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:29 am

Ok...so BEFORE I start with Re-conning some of these characters, I've decided to explain the facts about the character of the Hulk that gives me the belief that he is a Metamorph rather than an Alt Form character.

#1. Hulk has 3 "cannon" forms, and several variations that have taken place at a few times. The "cannon" forms are as follows: Savage, Grey, and Professor.

The Grey Hulk is the very first Hulk, the very first made, the very first seen, and the very first look into Banners troubled mind. It origionally had the mind of a 5-6 year old, it's thought process more based on emotion then anything. This changed over the years as the Grey Hulk became more of an angsty teenager in mentality; a little more cunning, and a little crueler.

Savage Hulk is the second Form, and the most common form. Savage hulk is the strongest of the 3 cannon forms, as his strength grows with his rage, and there has yet to be a limit to the Savage Hulks strength, as the Hulk pulled the Teutonic Plates of an world back together.

The Professor Hulk is often considered the Merged Hulk: All of Banners' intelligence, and Savage Hulks strength. There are two very small flaws in that. Professor Hulk is NOT as intelligent as Banner, though he is VERY close, nor can he reach the limits of strength that the Savage Version can.

#2. Dr. Bruce Banner, as intelligent as he is, suffers from MPD (Multi-personality disorder). His inner psyche is shattered, and for each of those shards, there is a Hulk Form, the majority which have yet to take form in the real world. It has actually been stated, by recent Marvel writers, with proof going back to the early 90's, that Banner's mental state decides which Hulk emerges.
Certian parts of his psyche have emerged as the Mindless Hulk, Sunset Hulk, and even a split second showing of one persona has set in stone the appearance of the Maestro, a Hulk personality from the future that rules the world with a....gamma...fist.

#3. Metamorph works on the fact that there is an ENTIRELY different character that you transform into, and you could have multiple forms, each with a different set of stats, and even personalities. The only restrictions is that the Metamorph has to be built on the same amount of points and be the same lvl as the origional character.
Many of you use Normal Identity for the Hulk, to revert him to Banner. Nromal Identity states that "your normal identity cannot have any powers." However, I have noticed, quite often, that particular abilities of the Hulk shine through in Banner, such as his immunity to any further Gamma Radiation effects, and his resistance to aging and starvation. He has also been able to call on certian degrees of strength that would be impossible for a normal man of Banner's build. It's even been stated by enemies of the Hulk that "Banner is no slouch himself, able to call upon incrediable strength."
Banner can also assume an Astral Form to communicate with other people, as well as pretty much a whole issue where he had to "astral form" into his own inner psyche to do battle with several forms of the Hulk.

Those facts above have lead me to believe that the Character of the Hulk is best represented as a Metamorph character, and just a super powerful beast with Normal ID.

It's the fact that Banner has access to powers, and while some of those powers could be very well power stunted (the access to incrediable str and durability), there are others that Banner has access to ALL the time (his immunities and the Astral Form), that negate the option of Normal ID.

I am not forcing anyone to build it this way, as for a simplified build, the Normal ID works...but to get the FULL taste of the Hulk/ Banner relationship, and it's perks/ consequences, I find it so much better served as a Metamorph, and I would urge anyone that is thinking of making a Banner that has access to his other sides, to use Metamorph over Normal ID.
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Re: Metamorph Hulk Theory points

Postby Emerald Flame » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:14 am

Godfallen wrote:Ok...so BEFORE I start with Re-conning some of these characters, I've decided to explain the facts about the character of the Hulk that gives me the belief that he is a Metamorph rather than an Alt Form character.

#1. Hulk has 3 "cannon" forms, and several variations that have taken place at a few times. The "cannon" forms are as follows: Savage, Grey, and Professor.

The Grey Hulk is the very first Hulk, the very first made, the very first seen, and the very first look into Banners troubled mind. It origionally had the mind of a 5-6 year old, it's thought process more based on emotion then anything. This changed over the years as the Grey Hulk became more of an angsty teenager in mentality; a little more cunning, and a little crueler.

Savage Hulk is the second Form, and the most common form. Savage hulk is the strongest of the 3 cannon forms, as his strength grows with his rage, and there has yet to be a limit to the Savage Hulks strength, as the Hulk pulled the Teutonic Plates of an world back together.

The Professor Hulk is often considered the Merged Hulk: All of Banners' intelligence, and Savage Hulks strength. There are two very small flaws in that. Professor Hulk is NOT as intelligent as Banner, though he is VERY close, nor can he reach the limits of strength that the Savage Version can.

#2. Dr. Bruce Banner, as intelligent as he is, suffers from MPD (Multi-personality disorder). His inner psyche is shattered, and for each of those shards, there is a Hulk Form, the majority which have yet to take form in the real world. It has actually been stated, by recent Marvel writers, with proof going back to the early 90's, that Banner's mental state decides which Hulk emerges.
Certian parts of his psyche have emerged as the Mindless Hulk, Sunset Hulk, and even a split second showing of one persona has set in stone the appearance of the Maestro, a Hulk personality from the future that rules the world with a....gamma...fist.

#3. Metamorph works on the fact that there is an ENTIRELY different character that you transform into, and you could have multiple forms, each with a different set of stats, and even personalities. The only restrictions is that the Metamorph has to be built on the same amount of points and be the same lvl as the origional character.
Many of you use Normal Identity for the Hulk, to revert him to Banner. Nromal Identity states that "your normal identity cannot have any powers." However, I have noticed, quite often, that particular abilities of the Hulk shine through in Banner, such as his immunity to any further Gamma Radiation effects, and his resistance to aging and starvation. He has also been able to call on certian degrees of strength that would be impossible for a normal man of Banner's build. It's even been stated by enemies of the Hulk that "Banner is no slouch himself, able to call upon incrediable strength."
Banner can also assume an Astral Form to communicate with other people, as well as pretty much a whole issue where he had to "astral form" into his own inner psyche to do battle with several forms of the Hulk.

Those facts above have lead me to believe that the Character of the Hulk is best represented as a Metamorph character, and just a super powerful beast with Normal ID.

It's the fact that Banner has access to powers, and while some of those powers could be very well power stunted (the access to incrediable str and durability), there are others that Banner has access to ALL the time (his immunities and the Astral Form), that negate the option of Normal ID.

I am not forcing anyone to build it this way, as for a simplified build, the Normal ID works...but to get the FULL taste of the Hulk/ Banner relationship, and it's perks/ consequences, I find it so much better served as a Metamorph, and I would urge anyone that is thinking of making a Banner that has access to his other sides, to use Metamorph over Normal ID.


>Applause<

Very well argued and IMHO very correctly so. I like the thinking used on this and I tend to agree with it. I have never been a Hulk fan and so I have never wrapped my brain around it.

Keep up the good work....
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