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Post by Libra » Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:30 am

I want the Comic! :lol:

Failing that I want DC/Marvel to team up and make it!
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Post by Mr. Volf » Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:56 am

"So, you fell into a vat of chemicals, ended up with white skin and green hair, and decided to become a killer with a Clown theme. What, don't like Punk Rock?"
A criminal who fell into a vat of chemicals and got out with white face, green hair and who was into punk rock decided to become the villain name the Rocker, who designs his criminal theme around rock music, speaks with British accent. Just a thought….
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Post by Libra » Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:01 pm

Isn't he in The Dark Knight? :wink:
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Post by Libra » Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:35 pm

Atlantis

Many surface-dwellers have confused impressions of Atlantis and Atlanteans - not difficult to understand, given the habits of isolation and isolationism common to both, only recently broken after the better part of two thousand years of silence.

Most assume that Aquaman and Namor the Sub-Mariner feud over who shall rule a single city or - amongst the more imaginative - which city gets to call itself Atlantis.

This is not true. Atlantis is not merely a single City-state, however grand: It is an Empire that covers almost three-quarters of the Planet’s surface.

Wherever mermen dwell in cities, obedient to law, there - at least by ancient tradition - is Atlantis.

Atlantis, you see, is more a dream than a single city. A dream of science and sorcery brought together to create Utopia on Earth – or under the surface of the Ocean. When the Oceans drank the First City of Atlantis 21,000 years ago, the Homo Magi of the city were able to use their mystic skills to either escape to Gemworld or survive underwater temporarily. While most of the sorcerers departed, scattered to the other continents of Earth, some remained behind.

Creating a great dome to cover their city and discovering a way of making their sea-living enchantments permanent, they created a race of diverse mermen – as varied as the initial enchantments that allowed their survival - able to live and thrive in the Ocean, though most forfeited the ability to live on land as a result. Soon they grew so numerous and fractious in their differences that the King of the time commanded that all those who had disturbed the Royal Peace might go forth and found their own Free Cities, to live as they would – so long as they remained under and respected his rule.

One city became an undersea empire and for a long time Atlantis prospered whilst the barbarians of the surface lived in caves and followed the great herds that dwelled upon the land.

Then the Deviants came. Once again Atlantis, heart of an empire, sank and the oceans drank it.

With the death of the Royal Line a common Atlantean culture remained and the Atlantean Empire endured in name as well as in the minds of men, but was left politically fragmented into a patchwork of city-states, a few held together in vest-pocket kingdoms. Many of these Daughter Cities claimed themselves to be the true Atlantis - and that therefore their sovereign ruler must be King of the Seven Seas.

The ensuing debates all too often led to outright war between City-States who regarded themselves as brothers – but disagreed on who was Big Brother. This situation did not change even after blue-skinned Homo Mermanus – almost unnoticed during the Wars which shook the Atlantean Sea-Cities during that distant epoch – established themselves in the ruins of the Atlantean City-States and made themselves into a power to be respected.

Eventually they too came to think of themselves as Atlanteans – and their kings made the inevitable claim of Supreme Sovereignty over that people and the World Under the Sea went on much as before.

Then came the Lemurians. So great a threat united the Atlanteans, if only to a certain degree, since while the near-constant round of small wars were halted no great re-unification ensued. Instead each city simply went its own way, dealing with – or isolating itself from – the others at its ruler’s whim.

The cities of Atlantis remained disunited, the Great War of the True Sovereign continued – but now it was fought with words, diplomatic manoeuvre and subtle cunning. At around this time the Atlanteans last links to the surface world quietly dissolved. Few noticed and fewer cared.

The Twentieth Century saw a change to what had become a centuries-old policy of isolation when Namor, Prince of Atlantis (eventually) joined the Allied Nations of the surface world to fight the Axis – and the Allies, when it suited him. He became a legend and some (especially Namor himself) claimed him worthy of the crown of all Atlantis.

But while Namor was supported by all of Homo Mermanus and the ruler of the City-state built on the site of True Atlantis – adding its Ancient Glamour to his claim – he was arrogant, high-handed and short-tempered and his rule has been. . .erratic. He was a hero, however, and no other candidate enjoyed even his level of popularity, relatively limited though it was. No-one argued, but few outside of his own city and people really supported him. Still, nobody argued with any great conviction and as far as he was concerned that made him Emperor of Atlantis.

In more recent years however a challenger has arisen – one far more popular amongst the deeps than Namor – and the succession debate has resolved into a straight contest between The Sub-Mariner and King Orin of Poseidonis. Arthur of Atlantis has proven himself a hero at least the equal of Namor - and his superior in diplomacy.

Genial, expansive (Especially in comparison to Namor) and well-liked for it, he too made himself a hero on the surface – though Namor still remains, despite his extensive history of belligerent bravado, more respected than Aquaman amongst the people there.

In the deeps though, Aquaman has gained the support of Tritonis, as well as most of the Atlantean City-states and has the best claim of any candidate in generations to the title of Lord of the Depths. His supporters speak with pride of his bond with the creatures of the sea as being proof positive that he is destined to rule the Seven Seas – and some even whisper that his mysterious father must have been Arion himself in disguise.

His detractors, on the other hand, state that his father was of more . . . dirt-bound antecedent, claiming that his being raised by a human has poisoned him with their ideology of greed and that he cannot even keep his own Noble House in order.

Above all this looms the unspoken argument: That his golden hair is the mark of an ancient curse and that to name him King over all others is to consign all Atlanteans to some nameless Doom.

This, at least, is what supporters of Namor claim – and what the 'Emperor of Atlantis' privately suspects to be the truth, though he will not defame himself by using it as a weapon against his rival. The recent destruction of his own city may have rendered his claim virtually insignificant, but his people still largely follow him and he will never yield while life is in him. He never has and he never will.

Even after Aquaman dropped an Orca on him during their only know duel to date, but the less said about that the better.
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Post by Ecalsneerg » Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:20 pm

Charles Phipps wrote:Yeah, first I have to deal with the fact that they had Batman kill Darkseid.

...WITH A GUN.
That's one of the few things I like about the Crisis. He's come full circle, now instead of the bad guy pointing the gun at a Wayne, now a Wayne's got over his inability to do so and pointed a gun at the biggest bad guy of them all.

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Post by dirkgentry2000 » Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:55 pm

Charles Phipps wrote:Interstellar Heroic Power Groups
Nicely done. I've always wanted to see a team-up between the Nova Corps and the Space Knights (of course, in this setting - you could throw the GLC into the mix)

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Post by Charles Phipps » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:00 am

Bravo Libra.

That was a cornucopia of obscure Marvel/DC lore there.

Bravo.

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Post by Libra » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:46 pm

Thank you. It occurred to me that there were an awful lot of mutually-contradictory Cities of Atlantis out there and it seemed a reasonable deduction that there's be a series of them.

Besides, Atlantis is so often treated as a singular city I thought it would be novel to make it an undersea empire with a lot of potentially juicy political manouver, espionage and fantasy combat!
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Post by RomLoneWolf23 » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:37 pm

Excellent take on Atlantis. I agree with the concept of making it a series of different city-states rather then a single one.
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Post by Libra » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:57 am

Thank you. I hope that you keep posting your own thoughts on the setting Lone Wolf. :D
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Post by RomLoneWolf23 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:20 pm

Thanks. Just had a short thought about how to quantify Deities in the Earth-777verse...


What makes a Deity? The answer to that question has been debated since the first sapient civilisation in the Universe began pondering the question, and odds are strong that it will remain a hotly debated subject when the Universe finally surrenders to Heat Death. But we can try to narrow some categories here.

Generically, one can define a Deity as a supernatural or pretenatural being of great power and immortality, thought of as divine, holy or sacred by more common sapients. Beyond those basic qualities, deities are incredibly diverse, coming in all shapes and sizes, with a wide variety of personalities and sets of powers, ranging from nigh-omnipotent beings of pure thought to the least of minor house gods.

Worship by "Mortals" appears to be one of the main things that seperates actual deities from merely powerful individuals or cosmic entities; but what this worship signifies or offers also varies from deity to deity. For most, mortal cults are really nothing more then "fan clubs", giving them nothing more then a bit of ego flattering. Other deities are actually dependant on Mortal worship, growing or fading in power dependant on the size of their pet cults.

Some beings, like the Olympians, are truely immortal, immune to all earthly diseases and the effects of aging. Others, like the Asgardians, do age, albeit at a slow enough pace as to seem immortal to short-lived mortals. They both however have their own pocket universes to dwell in, and have powers that are unmatched by all but the mightiest of Earthly supers.

A special case which must be mentionned here are the New Gods of New Genesis and Apokalips. Descended from an elder race of deities which bore a strong resemblance to the Asgardians, the New Gods dwell a realm known as the Fourth World. What seperates them from the likes of the Asgardians and Olympians, is an adherence to the trappings of technology over sorcery.

Considering all the myriad forms divinity can take in the universe of Earth-777, perhaps the easiest way to label something a god, is to see if an existing god accepts it as an equal or not.

Thus, in some respects, deity can be regarded as something of an exclusive club: you're either In, or you're Not.
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Post by Charles Phipps » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:33 pm

Personally, I actually go with a mixing of the official origins of Marvel Comics and the DCU.

The Source Wave traveled throughout the universe during the early times of the Cosmos, after the destruction of the Third World (which occurred at the beginning of the universe). This created the world of New Genesis and the world of Apokolips. Along the way, it struck the planet Earth and resulted in the awakening of Gaia.

Gaia then proceeded to birth the Elder Gods. Unfortunately, these entities were cruel and evil so she birthed the deity Atum who proceeded to assume the aspect of the Demogorge. Demogorge destroyed the majority of the Elder Gods who fled this reality and only the diabolical evil Chthon managed to survive. Their evil essence then reformed in other dimensions as horrible creatures like Shuma-Gorath and Sataanish.

The next birth of deities on Earth are the Pantheon Founders (Odin, Zeus, etc) who go on to create their own people. Thus, Earth is populated with hundreds of powerful deities while the Source Wave created only a few minor gods for every other planet in the galaxy.

These are "Gods" as we think of them. Entities like Dormammu are not "Gods" but have equivalent power.

(again this is pretty nakedly stolen from Heroic Earth)

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Post by Charles Phipps » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:44 am

Bane

It is somewhat overstated that the villains that a super hero faces must embody some element of their psyche. In the case of Bane, the child with no name, he is certainly the orphaned child who transformed himself into a self-made man. Whereas Batman devotes himself to protecting Gotham City. Bane is a man who is adrift in life without purpose. Yet, Bane is a simmering caudlron of hatred and darkness that can easily be put to use in any purpose that catches his interest.

In the corrupt country of Santa Prisca, a drug addled nation ruled by the most insane whims that its ruthless "El Jefe Del Pais "could desire, Bane was raised inside the walls of a prison. A prison for convicts that the President hoped would lure out the boy's father. Adopted as a mascott, Bane learned from a collection of the world's most ruthless killers and some of Santa Prisca's most educated men (who were imprisoned because of this knowledge).

Bane's morality and education are warped to say the least. Informed by the morality of a man who grew up amongst killers, rapists, fascists, and the occasional imprisoned innocent; Bane believes very strongly in his warped sense of justice. A sense of justice that kills any who oppress the weak yet also those stand in the way of success. He is a man who will do anything to achieve his aims and yet can be moved to sympathy for his own standards of "innocent."

To understand Bane, you have to comprehend a monomania that is as intense and overwhelming as the Batman's devotion to justice. However, it is a monomania that has no distinct focus. Bane could defeat the Batman, Bane could overcome his addiction to Venom, Bane could destroy all the Lazarus Pits in the world and drive Ra's Al Ghul's League of Shadows into near ruin, and Bane could win the Presidency of Santa Prisca. Nothing holds his interest for very long.

In many ways; Bane is a rather twisted version of Tony Stark or Lex Luthor as much as Bruce Wayne. A Renassiance Man who could achieve all of their accomplishments if he had any interest in such matters. Unfortunately, Bane cares nothing for his fellow man and can live without wealth or influence. He is a restless spirit that craves inner peace but cannot find it without destroying what he touches. Bane killed Judomaster simply out of a annoyed rage and yet allowed his son to defeat him as a way of atoning.

Bane has encountered a number of super heroes other than Batman in his quest to find something to guide his path. Baron Zemo II and he shared many fascinating conversations but ultimately Bane decided the Thunderbolts were not for him (right before the Registration Act), he fought Captain America to a stalemate in one of the few times that man has ever been caught off guard (Bane discovering Venom was a debased and corrupt version of the Super Soldier Serum), and he even teamed up with Spiderman to defeat the Black Tarantula.

But wherever Bane goes.....he breaks things.
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Post by Steve Mitchell » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:18 am

Please forgive my Galactus obsession, but. . .

Does your cosmology mean that Galactus is the last survivor of the Third World?

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Post by dirkgentry2000 » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:19 am

Charles Phipps wrote:Bane

It is somewhat overstated that the villains that a super hero faces must embody some element of their psyche. In the case of Bane, the child with no name, he is certainly the orphaned child who transformed himself into a self-made man. Whereas Batman devotes himself to protecting Gotham City. Bane is a man who is adrift in life without purpose. Yet, Bane is a simmering caudlron of hatred and darkness that can easily be put to use in any purpose that catches his interest.

In the corrupt country of Santa Prisca, a drug addled nation ruled by the most insane whims that its ruthless "El Jefe Del Pais "could desire, Bane was raised inside the walls of a prison. A prison for convicts that the President hoped would lure out the boy's father. Adopted as a mascott, Bane learned from a collection of the world's most ruthless killers and some of Santa Prisca's most educated men (who were imprisoned because of this knowledge).

Bane's morality and education are warped to say the least. Informed by the morality of a man who grew up amongst killers, rapists, fascists, and the occasional imprisoned innocent; Bane believes very strongly in his warped sense of justice. A sense of justice that kills any who oppress the weak yet stand in the way of success. He is a man who will do anything to achieve his aims and yet can be moved to sympathy for his own standards of "innocent."

To understand Bane, you have to comprehend a monomania that is as intense and overwhelming as the Batman's devotion to justice. However, it is a monomania that has no distinct focus. Bane could defeat the Batman, Bane could overcome his addiction to Venom, Bane could destroy all the Lazarus Pits in the world and drive Ra's Al Ghul's League of Shadows into near ruin, and Bane could win the Presidency of Santa Prisca. Nothing holds his interest for very long.

In many ways; Bane is a rather twisted version of Tony Stark or Lex Luthor as much as Bruce Wayne. A Renassiance Man who could achieve all of their accomplishments if he had any interest in such matters. Unfortunately, Bane cares nothing for his fellow man and can live without wealth or influence. He is a restless spirit that craves inner peace but cannot find it without destroying what he touches. Bane killed Judomaster simply out of a annoyed rage and yet allowed his son to defeat him as a way of atoning.

Bane has encountered a number of super heroes other than Batman in his quest to find something to guide his path. Baron Zemo II and he shared many fascinating conversations but ultimately Bane decided the Thunderbolts were not for him (right before the Registration Act), he fought Captain America to a stalemate in one of the few times that man has ever been caught off guard (Bane discovering Venom was a debased and corrupt version of the Super Soldier Serum), and he even teamed up with Spiderman to defeat the Black Tarantula.

But wherever Bane goes.....he breaks things.
Don't know if you've been following Secret Six - but Bane is the latest member (well - if he survives last issue) - - -which kind of begs the question of what the Secret Six are doing in the merged 'verse.

Running very quickly away from the forces of Registration I suspect....

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