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Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:19 am

Part One of the Angelic Series

The Spectre


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In the cosmos, there is something you need to understand. Each element of the Presence embodies something that, in turn, takes on an existence of its own. The Presence has a wrathful as well as loving side, no being that has created as harsh a universe as this is incapable of anger or outrage. This sense manifested as the Spectre, an entity that desires to wipe away all the darkness that exists upon the cosmos. But wrath is too easily bent towards the concept of hatred and such a being can be made to Fall. The original manifestation of this spirit, Eclipso, was bound away by the Presence because of its fundamentally corrupt nature. The second spirit of God's wrath, Zarathos, isn't exactly someone who won any popularity contests either before his binding. The Presence has considered doing the same to the Spectre on several occasions.

The Spectre does not have much in the way of a personality, to be perfectly honest. The Spectre is defined by its hatred of evil in all of its forms. The Spectre does not love, does not feel mercy, does not feel pity, does not feel pain, and does not have friends. Left alone, the Spirit of Vengeance would scour the cosmos of all evil. Unfortunately, the Spectre is incapable of differentiating the severity of crimes. He would inflict unimaginable agonies on a child for disrespect to his parents and destroy a man utterly for even the mildest blasphemy. Many in both Heaven and Hell have questioned whether or not the Spectre is a greater evil than those he faces.

The reason that the Spectre has not yet been damned is the fact that he is fundamentally different from the spirits that would eventually empower Ghost Rider or menace the Justice League. The Spectre, bizarre as it seems, takes no pleasure in his tortures and murders. He only seeks to serve the will of the Presence and is continually frustrated by his inability to grasp what is expected of him. It has often been speculated that, should the Spectre ever be asked to judge himself, he would gladly self-obliterate. So far, no hero or villain has had the time to point out this seeming contradiction in his own nature. It's possible God would spare the Spectre such a fate or he would wait until his mission was complete to do such an extreme action.

As part of the Presence's plan to teach the Spectre humility and other concepts, he has been bound to a series of mortal hosts. Jim Corrigan Sr., great-uncle to the corrupt Gotham forensics specialist of the same name, was the longest lasting of these. It also succeeded in making the Spectre realize that he needed a mortal host to enact the Presence's will. The recognition that mercy and proportion were required is far from actually possessing these qualities but have prevented some of the worst elements to his crimes. Then again, even Jim Corrigan was not perfect, as a fit of despair wiped clean the nation of Vlatava (an break-away Republic of Romania that has since become part of Latveria).

Eclipso, realizing the loss of Hal Jordan had unbalanced him, pointed out the corrosive nature of magic to the soul. The Spectre proceeded to wipe out the current incarnations of the Lords of Order and Chaos (sending all of them fleeing into Gemworld), 50% of the world's sorcerers, and attempted to kill Johnny Blaze. Ironically, the Spectre managed to briefly regain his sanity after confronting the Spirit of Vengeance within Johnny and recognizing his own struggle against the Sin of Wrath. This did not prevent the Spectre's actions from having cataclysmic consequences for the Earth. There is a very good chance that the Spectre punished the "evil" Scarlet Witch with madness. This, coupled with the fact that unimaginable amounts of magic were released by the Spectre's actions, resulted in the eradication of most Metahumans in the world.

The current host of the Spectre is a ticking time bomb. Feeling tremendous horror at his own misguided attempts to destroy evil, the Spectre is actually feeling a curious need to atone. Crispus Allen, normally, would have been an excellent candidate for the Spectre. A man filled with incredible moral certainty but also aware of the greys of Good vs. Evil. Unfortunately, the Spectre was still unbalanced at the time of their joining and lead Allen to his own son as his first murderer to punish. Allen, rather than fight the Spectre over the soul as he should have, consented under the misguided belief he was working for God and has since become a maltheist. This situation does not suit anyone.

Game Master's Notes: The reason the Spectre does not willy nilly start killing super villains, despite the fact that he has a PL: X stat set is based on the extremely mentally unbalanced nature of his pure angelic state. It takes all the effort of his mortal hosts to keep him in check and they must cope with near-omniscence when choosing their candidates. As such, they tend to choose to punish murderers that have no children and will kill again. Even so, even their logic is flawed at times.
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Post by Libra » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:29 am

Libra, how about you do a full write-up?
I can't promise a flow chart, but I'll try my hand at writing up some of the Celestial beings. :D
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Post by Setothes » Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:38 am

dirkgentry2000 wrote: I've occasionally played with the concept that Nabu/the Lords of Order would decide that just one agent in the mortal realm was not sufficient to represent their interest and would create a Legion of Order - consisting of multiple Dr. Fate like operatives fighting the various forces of Chaos in the DCU. Sort of like a mystical Green Lantern Corps that filled the same niche as the Shadowpact.
A golden age tale had Dr. Fate lose the Helmet of Nabu somehow, and wear a half-helm, drawing only power from his mystical amulet (which gave him super-strength, invulnerability and flight).

Perhaps there can only be one Dr. Fate, and one Helmet of Nabu, but the wearer of that helmet can pump out a dozen of these amulets, and awards them to his 'Fated,' all people which some mystical intuitiveness (at least aware of mystical things, if not actual practitioners) whose lives have been interrupted by mystical happenings. Perhaps they were saved from vampirism by a blood transfusion. Perhaps they lost time in a fae realm and have returned to a world that they no longer recognize. Perhaps they survived a curse that left them working as a zombi in a Haitain plantation for years. Magic changed their lives and 'stole their fates.' Dr, Fate saved them, and now they are Fated to use the years he has given them to prevent their fates from falling on others.

The group could have a few overt 'super-heroes' wearing full face helms (with no special powers) and being all mysterious, and a few covert operatives who have the same amulets, but keep their powers under wraps and work as paranormal investigators, PIs, etc. using their strength, invulnerability and flight subtly.

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Post by Promethean » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:14 am

I just read through this entire thread and have to say that I'm very impressed! Looking forward to reading more.

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Post by Charles Phipps » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:17 am

Earth Angel

The origins of Linda Danvers are a convoluted and bizarre circumstance. However, they boil down to the fact that she was once a shy young woman growing up in Leesburg, USA. Introduced to the occult by the renegade demon Buzz (working for the Lords of Chaos), she was offered up as a sacrifice to these dark entities. Instead, the Matrix Supergirl sacrificed her life to save her and bestowed upon her great powers.

As surreal as this origin sounds, Linda Danvers was in for another shock as she was actually chosen to be one of the three Earth Angels. Divine entities allowed by the Presence to work on the Earth to fight demonic incursions and defend the world from the forces of Chaos. She did an exemplary job; facing down beings like Chemo, the Silver Banshee, and one of the great Demon Princes of Hell in the Carnivore.

Linda Danvers retired from wearing the mantle of the S-shield after an attempt to offer herself up to replace the Pre-Crisis Supergirl as a sacrifice. The event didn't work and she was cruely returned to her own reality. Worse, the child that she had during that time with the Pre-Crisis Superman was seemingly erased from existence. Broken emotionally and mentally, Linda Danvers sought refuge away from the world's ills.

Unfortunately, as history is want to prove, rarely do heroes ever get a chance to leave behind their ills. With the death of the New Gods, the new host for Linda Danvers powers has perished and its almost certain that the angelic abilities she left behind will return to her. Despite having done so much for the world, undoubtedly this means that Linda will end up resuming her duties to defend the universe from the forces of evil.

The demon Mesphito has already set his eyes on the soul of Miss Danvers. He dislikes strongly that she managed to escape her original damnation and considers it his duty to eventually win her back to the forces of evil. Mesphito will undoubtedly attempt to offer her child in exchange for her soul. Given how much Linda loved her offspring, she may be persuaded by such a deal and it will be up to a set of heroes to win her back.

Despite being a angelic force for good, Earth Angel is not exactly what you'd call holier than thou. Linda's personality is more akin to Buffy Summers than Saint Paul. While the past decade has mellowed her out some, she's still sarcastic and witty. It's a defense mechanism against the hardships that she's endured.

As an Earth Angel, Linda Danvers has flaming wings that can burn the flesh of individuals in proportion to the guilt they feel for their crimes. This is actually the uncorrupted version of the Pennace stare that is used by Ghost Rider. She can also fly, regenerate, and possesses powers almost as formidable as Supermans.
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Post by Libra » Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:30 am

Excellent work Charles. :D

I'm sorry I haven't posted in a while and will have to finish up a few things before I get back to my regular contributions, but I will get back to them eventually.
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Post by Charles Phipps » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:43 am

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Glad you liked it Libra.

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Post by Libra » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:53 am

Well, I have been struck by a thought or two and I've got something up my sleeve.

He's a bit of a Hellraiser and a complete b------, but nobody's perfect.
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Post by Libra » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:29 am

John Constantine – Conman, Cynic, adrenaline junkie, Hedge Wizard, Occult Detective, Bisexual, humanist, Magnificent P----. There’s a lot that can be said about Constantine and some of it can even spoken in polite society.

The less said about his descent – an ancient and accursed lineage, cursed not by the wrath of God or the machinations of Hell but by their own all-too-human selfishness and apathy – the better, though it must be noted that Constantine’s father did marry his mother, so he’s technically not a bastard. This would surprise a great many of his enemies and positively stun his friends.

For all his sins – and they are legion – John does have his good points.
They are, in no particular order, the fact that he can be extremely charming when he wants to be - It’s no surprise that he has a massive network of friends world-wide, often in the most surprising of places (including the Justice League) although the term ‘friend’ covers a multitude of acquaintances with John, of varying degrees of intimacy - and that he cannot be accused of being apathetic to human suffering. Constantine is generally at least willing to help out someone in trouble.

Unfortunately if you happen to be his friend it’s very likely that it was he who brought all this trouble down about your ears in the first place.

Though he’d probably heap scorn upon you if ever you told him so John has a good heart. He’s gone up against demons, angels and stranger things, all to help people he barely knows – yet whom he still refers to as friends – and he’s actually won. He’s even beat the Devil at his own game and Mephisto, self-proclaimed First of the Fallen, still desires his revenge on Constantine for that little incident with the Blessed Budweiser - not to mention the fact that Neron and Trigon have their own scores to settle with the mage as well after he diddled all three of them out of his soul and launched Hell into another Civil War from which none of the Triat profited.

John has beaten these formidable infernal entities on numerous occasions, completely outwitting and often humiliating them. He makes a point of making sure they know it as well, given his passion for not only laughing in the face of Death, but making sure to tell him to shove it up his a--- as well. (This is a bit inaccurate. John actually gets on quite well with Death, which he should, given that he’s met her often enough over the years.)

This rather explains why John’s friends – close and obscure – keep getting killed in various incidents of Occult Beastliness. John makes enemies amongst the various supernatural hierarchies with a craftsman’s skill and an anarchist’s relish for humiliating authority Terrestrial, Hellish or Heavenly. Unfortunately this same anarchistic humanism has earned him a myriad of enemies, none of whom can quite agree on who gets to kill him off, which rather explains why he’s still alive – since at least twenty occult conflicts have been launched to decide who gets to go first – not counting the fact that quite a sizeable percentage of the Mystic World is terrified of defeat and mockery at his hands.

Unfortunately all of them can agree that those closest to him are fair game and since John has a habit of befriending those he finds useful, interesting, amusing or beddable there are a never-ending supply of potential hooks to torture him with and an open season on attacking him through them.

Given this and the fact that when push comes to shove John will sacrifice your life rather than his, it’s no surprise that John doesn’t have many living friends. It doesn’t help that while he’s a master of making powerful enemies amongst the supernatural hierarchies, his disrespectful attitude earns him few allies of similar power to counterbalance them.

There’s another reason for this high mortality rate: John Constantine is perhaps the greatest living master of Synchronicity, the mystic ability to always be in the right place at the right time. More times than he can count he’s been in on the ground floor at Apocalyptic events and stopped them from happening. Unfortunately this fortune doesn’t extend to his friends - he may very well accomplish this by siphoning off the luck of others, probably unconsciously.

Probably.

As far as his relationships with superheroes go: They don’t exist. John deliberately tends to avoid capes, even his friend Zatanna, since he just doesn’t understand them. John Constantine can read a Lord of Hell like an open book and manipulate him like the simplest of rubes, but someone like Superman is an alien being to him for more reasons than an accident of birth - and Spider-Man wasn’t too easy for him to comprehend either.

He’s run into Brian Braddock on occasion though. What Captain Britain has to say concerning Constantine is … polite. (But only because he’s a gentleman and it’s quite obviously spoken through clenched teeth.) What John thinks of Brian is unprintable – and just a bit kinky. After the conversation reached that point I didn’t enquire further.

He gets on a bit better with working-class Union Jack, but Jack still thinks he’s a Bastard – though he says it with what might be a faint degree of admiration.

Doctor Steven Strange would quite like to burn him at the stake, but he suppressed that impulse manfully out of respect for Zatanna and her strange attachment to the man.
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Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:52 am

Mary Marvel

It's tough to be Mary Bromfield.

There is an ongoing debate as to who the strongest woman in the world is. Supergirl certainly has an advantage and many assume she is. Power Girl has often claimed that title despite the fact that she's undergone many power downs. Ms. Marvel, in-between her abysmal personal life, has also wielded unimaginable strength. The usual woman to receive this title is Wonder Woman, Princess of the Amazons. In actuality, the probable strongest candidate for this title is Mary Marvel.

Possessing powers from Selena for grace, Hippolyta for strength, Ariadne for skill, Zephyrus for fleetness (and flight), Aurora for beauty, and Minerva for Wisdom; Mary Marvel has every bit the same strength as her brother. She also is a genius intellect that few individuals actually realize. Many people are fooled by the fact that Mary is a pleasant young woman that seems to have little knowledge of the outside world. In fact, growing up in a sheltered environment followed by living with a family that has a talking super-powered bunny and tiger tends to leave one slightly peculiar.

One of the few times that Mary Marvel genuinely cut loose was when under the control of the sinister Roulette and then she nearly killed Captain Atom, a figure that was able to single-handedly defeat the entirety of the Wildstorm Universe with his quantum derived powers (and conquered much of the future DCU with his "Monarch" abilities). Like Superman, it's easy to underestimate Mary Marvel's abilities because the idea of actually fighting to destroy an opponent is almost totally anti-ethical to her personality. She doesn't so much lack a killer instinct as her fundamental nature is as decent as they come.

It should be noted that Mary isn't quite as noble as she appears, though. Like Captain Marvel, much of her seemingly infinite patience comes from the Wisdom of her super-powered form. Beings of pure evil like Sabbac and various demons are shown the full strength of Mary Marvel. This usually results in them being utterly shattered to dust upon just a few blows. Even Black Adam tends to pause at rousing the Batsons due to the fact that they are capable of overcoming even his titanic strength.

Still, it may take some time for the super hero community to realize just how potent Mary Marvel really is. The mighty Hercules knows how powerful Mary is, Billy allowed him to make some inappropriate moves towards her and that resulted in him being thrown halfway around the world. Hippolyta, the mother of Wonder Woman, also knows her "unofficial" daughter's strength. Wonder Woman was genuinely surprised to find that Mary was one of the few women she could not defeat in a wrestling competition. Thor considers her one of his favorite maids of Midgard but has made no move for her seemingly sheltered nature.

Oddly, the only boy she's shown much interest in and vice versa is Freddy Freeman. Captain Marvel Junior (now known as "Shazam") looks at Mary as a woman rather than kid-sister figure despite their forming a Marvel family. It is a relationship that Billy Batson doesn't approve of and has been seriously hampered in recent years by events beyond the pair's control.

Mary is currently recovering from an extended period of possession by the Apokoliptian god Desaad. The period resulted in her betraying most of her friends and "acting like a horribly loose woman." Many of her former associates did not realize Mary was possessed at this time, given the high amount of corruption under newer heroes, and she's horrified by how much distrust she's been greeted with. It will take some time and counseling to help her get over her extensive emotional trauma.

In lighter years, Mary Batson treats super-heroism as a privilege rather than an obligation. Like her brother and Superman, it is fun to help other people and not something that causes agonizing decisions. Spiderman himself has found it very difficult to bemoan his life when around the Batsons, people who have it just as bad as him but who view their lifestyle as heroes positively. They're also amongst the few heroes his Aunt May likes.
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Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:06 pm

Nice write-up of John Constantine. I like the idea that John is a master of Entropy magic (see Old Mage the Ascension) and may be siphoning the luck off of his opponents. I also tend to think that John's skill at manipulating the forces of Hell may be helped by the fact that at least one of the Fallen (perhaps HIM) admires John's repeated and overwhelming rebelliousness in the face of overwhelming powers.

Perhaps explaining how John successfully cons even Mesphito.

John does have a few associates that can tolerate him, though. There's the late Doctor Alec Holland after all.

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Post by Libra » Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:20 pm

True, but I will point out that they tolerate him rather than like him. For whatever reason they don't seem to poke their nose into his affairs very often - He doesn't return the favour.

Thank you for the kind words, by the way. I don't know about John being a master of Entropic Magic - I haven't had much of an opportunity to read about Mage: The Ascension - but I do think that he's not a very powerful mage, but a supremely knowledgable occultist. I suspect that John's too lazy to be a really top-flight mage or, to put it another way: "His willpower is too cynical."
I also tend to think that John's skill at manipulating the forces of Hell may be helped by the fact that at least one of the Fallen (perhaps HIM) admires John's repeated and overwhelming rebelliousness in the face of overwhelming powers.
John has certainly met HIM and was very, very careful. He was practically polite.

Mazikeen didn't escape so lightly.
Spiderman himself has found it very difficult to bemoan his life when around the Batsons, people who have it just as bad as him but who view their lifestyle as heroes positively. They're also amongst the few heroes his Aunt May likes.
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Post by MightyDavidson » Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:45 pm

I'd go so far as to say that it's difficult for ANYBODY to bemoan thier life when they're around the Batsons. Billy and Mary are just so darn upbeat it's just plain hard to remain angsty around them, prolonged exposure to the Batsons has even been known to cheer up the likes of Batman and the few times that the X-Men have teamed up with the Marvels have resulted in a remarkably less surly Wolverine.

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Post by Libra » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:12 pm

Wolverine . . . and the Marvel Family.

This is a story that must be told! :mrgreen:
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Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:42 pm

Like Wolverine and the Power Pack.

It's just FUN!

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