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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Sidious » Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:28 pm

dirkgentry2000 wrote:
RomLoneWolf23 wrote:While we're talking 'bout Mogo, is there a connection between him and Ego, the other living planet?
For some awful reason, I'm picturing Ego and Mogo with a cosmic Big Lebowski-esque asteroid bowling rivalry.

Clearly, something's wrong with me.


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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Libra » Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:43 pm

It very likely would. :mrgreen:

On the other hand dutiful Mogo doesn't socialise and EGO is, well, egotistical. I doubt they'd get along very well - Though I suspect that they'd feel an uneasy sort of kinship, given their almost unique mutual natures.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by tm80401 » Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:51 pm

You guys all do amazing work.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Ares » Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:06 am

Captain Marvel and the rest of the Universe

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The superhero community, like any other group of strong willed, opinionated individuals, has very few constants in terms of what everyone thinks of everyone else. Some heroes don’t know what to make of Thor and his attitude towards mortals. Green Arrow’s strong political beliefs can make for some volatile conversation. And you don’t even want to know how split opinions are on Tony Stark at the moment.

There are, however, some opinions that virtually everyone holds. No one will deny that Superman and Captain America are pillars of morality and inspirational heroes. Everyone will admit, however grudgingly, that Batman can scare the heck out of them at times. And if you were to ask the superhero community about Captain Marvel, almost without fail the first words out of their mouths would be “He’s a really great guy”. And that’s because somehow, despite the vastly different personalities that make it up, Captain Marvel is friends with virtually everyone in the superhero community.

Part of that reason is that Captain Marvel treats everyone like an equal. He doesn’t consider himself better than anyone, which was a primary reason why the wizard Shazam chose Billy Batson to wield his power in the first place. Black Adam had taught Shazam that even a noble hero can become a villain if he loses touch with the people around him and believes himself to be better than them. Black Adam never becomes mortal if he can help it and in fact, doesn’t think of himself as Teth Adam anymore. Teth Adam is a weak, frail mortal prison he is sometimes forced to endure until he can return to his true self. Not so with Billy Batson. Billy enjoys his powers and what they let him do, but at the end of the day, being just Captain Marvel would distance himself from his life, his friends, his family, and he doesn’t want that. To him, his mortal life is just as important as what he can do as a superhero.

This is why Billy, his sister Mary and their friend Freddy Freeman were all chosen by Shazam. The kindly old wizard wanted someone who would become human again of their own free will, because their humanity is more important than their power.

And because of that attitude, Captain Marvel winds up being able to interact with virtually any hero in the world and get along with them. He’s not awed by guys like Superman, Thor or Dr. Strange, because he’s had adventures on a similar level and stakes. At the same time, he can related to heroes like Spider-Man, being very familiar with the problems of everyday people and the loss of loved ones. Similarly, Cap gets along very well with normal people. He smiles politely and remembers the names of each and every person he saves, and dedicates a great deal of his time to helping the disenfranchised, both as Billy and Cap. Captain Marvel is one of the few heroes who will not only help build a homeless shelter using his superhuman might, but then dedicate time as Billy Batson to help serve food there.

Now that the Wizard Shazam has returned once more, Captain Marvel thankfully resume his role as a fellow hero and friend to the superheroic community, along with Mary and Freddy (who has resumed his identity of Captain Marvel Junior). Cap has let Thor know that the Thunder God will have his full support when Osborn eventually makes his move. In fact, when Norman came to Fawcett to try and bully Cap into being a part of the new Avengers, the resulting battle ended with said Avengers team returning to the Helicarrier sporting a new collection of bruises and the Iron Patriot armor needing to be rebuilt virtually from scratch.

Some examples of how his fellow heroes and Cap get along are as follows:


Superman: Superman considers Captain Marvel to be both a close friend and one of his true peers he has in terms of power. When the latest heroic age started, for a brief time it was just Superman, Batman and the Fantastic Four. Captain Marvel was the first mystical superhero on the scene, and the first person Superman came across who could match him physically. He was also the first person Superman could really talk to about what it meant to be a superhero, something both of them welcomed. When there’s a mystical threat that he needs help with, Clark will often turn to Cap first rather than go to someone like Dr. Strange or Dr. Fate. The two of them also have a friendly rivalry, as they are each one of the few people in the universe that they can compete against. It’s not uncommon for them to be thwarting an alien invasion and chatting to each other about who has taken down the most space ships or punched the most Martians.

Batman: Batman has no qualms about calling Captain Marvel his friend. He’s one of the few people who isn’t intimidated by Batman who also doesn’t try and talk down to Batman for being a mere mortal. Bruce has actually caught himself smiling whenever Captain Marvel is around, and sometimes allows that smile to stay there. But more than that, Captain Marvel taught Bruce Wayne a lesson early on that he is immensely grateful for. Captain Marvel is a reminder to Bruce that he didn’t have to be what he is. Billy Batson suffered the exact same loss as Bruce. His parents were murdered while he was helpless to do anything, and afterwards the person trusted to protect him threw Billy out onto the streets to fend for himself. And despite that, Billy Batson is as friendly, warm and kind a human being as has ever lived. Rather than try to use fear to strike back at those who had hurt him, Billy dedicated himself to inspiring everyone to be better, to be a symbol of hope. It was this attitude that made Bruce consciously do everything he could to not turn Dick Grayson, Jason Todd and Tim Drake into copies of himself. Captain Marvel showed him that the tragedy he suffered didn’t need to consume those boys the way it had consumed him, and he is grateful for that.

Spider-Man: Peter Parker finds Captain Marvel ridiculously easy to get along with, and this is from a guy who has had at least one team up with every superhero on the planet. Part of it was that Cap has a sense of humor, could relate to him as a person, had his own shares of personal tragedy, but what really made Spider-Man like Cap from the word go was that Cap treated him with respect and trust right from the start. Captain Marvel believes in giving everyone, no matter how bad their reputation, the benefit of the doubt, and so he greeted Spider-Man with the same smile and handshake he’d give any hero. He gave Peter his trust freely and without reservation during a time when it seemed that no one was willing to, and that means a lot to Peter even to this day. Both know the other’s secret identities, and like Superman, Cap is one of the people on Peter’s speed dial for mystical problems (tho being friends with Dr. Strange, Peter is just as likely to call Stephen as well).

Thor: Thor is, in some ways, the opposite of Captain Marvel. Whereas Thor was a god who was forced into a human form to learn humility, Billy Batson was a normal boy who was turned into a god because of his own humility. Thor is a warrior where Captain Marvel would rather be a peace maker. Thor dwells in the halls of Asgard while Billy lives in a modest apartment. Yet despite that, Thor holds Captain Marvel in high regard almost because of those differences. He admires Billy for being a mortal that has more nobility and dignity than many gods he knows. He respects Billy’s restraint and compassion for others, his love of life and his easy smile. Likewise, Billy respects Thor for being a noble warrior, someone who is never cruel or bullying and who fights to protect other people. And since Billy treats everyone with respect, Thor has never felt slighted by Billy. In fact, Billy’s very presence and innate humility seems to lower Thor’s own godly arrogance by several notches, a constant reminder of power held in check by restraint. As such, whenever Thor needs to talk to someone about his mixed feelings regarding his time as both a mortal and immortal, Billy is usually the first person he turns to. While Hercules, Wonder Woman and Beta Ray Bill might be higher up on the list of people Thor will call for aid when he gets into a fight, Captain Marvel is near the top of people he seeks out for advice.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Ares » Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:07 am

If that bit proves popular, I might expand it to include other heroes, and maybe even take requests. :mrgreen:

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by RomLoneWolf23 » Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:54 am

I'm wondering how Billy got along with the other Captain Marvels, myself.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Libra » Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:46 pm

This is Bill - He probably introduced them to the wonders of hotdogs while in the process of a good old chat.

The fact that the Champion of Shazam would probably do exactly that is why he commands our affection. :mrgreen:
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Ares » Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:19 pm

RomLoneWolf23 wrote:I'm wondering how Billy got along with the other Captain Marvels, myself.
I'll get right on that then. :mrgreen:
Libra wrote:This is Bill - He probably introduced them to the wonders of hotdogs while in the process of a good old chat.

The fact that the Champion of Shazam would probably do exactly that is why he commands our affection. :mrgreen:
Yep. I like that originally it was Captain Marvel that introduced the Martian Manhunter to Oreo's and was the guy who started the JLA/JSA Thanksgiving get together. Cap's all about building bridges and making friends.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Libra » Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:16 pm

Indeed - not to mention Chocos. Musn't forget the chocos! 8)
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by tm80401 » Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:06 pm

O.K. You mentioned the Manhunter, so I'm gonna ask. How do the 3-4 shapeshifting races in the combined universe relate to each other?

Those being Durlans, Skrulls, Dire Wraiths, and Martians.

In Marvel Cannon, the Dire Wraiths are/were an offshoot of the Skrulls. Are the other 2 races related as well?

And while we are at it, what about the Eternals, I know that the Deviants were mentioned in the writeup for Atlantis, but how about the Eternals, and please, please, please go with Kirby Eternals, not Gaiman Eternals.

I love his writing, but it's not really a good base for a game.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Ares » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:59 pm

tm80401 wrote:O.K. You mentioned the Manhunter, so I'm gonna ask. How do the 3-4 shapeshifting races in the combined universe relate to each other?

Those being Durlans, Skrulls, Dire Wraiths, and Martians.

In Marvel Cannon, the Dire Wraiths are/were an offshoot of the Skrulls. Are the other 2 races related as well?

And while we are at it, what about the Eternals, I know that the Deviants were mentioned in the writeup for Atlantis, but how about the Eternals, and please, please, please go with Kirby Eternals, not Gaiman Eternals.

I love his writing, but it's not really a good base for a game.
Well, the Dire Wraiths are a Skrull offshoot that focused on mysticism rather than technology, so I'd probably go with something similar. There was probably just one big shapeshifting race at one point, with each 'species' actually being a different nation on the original planet. The Durlans were an isolationist sect that eventually left for another planet once technology advanced enough to do so, disliking even the company of other shapeshifters that weren't of their own specific breed.

As the Skrulls advanced and traveled, they eventually came across the Kree. And this happened:
wikipedia wrote:The modern Skrulls originate from the planet of Skrullos, in the Drox System in the Andromeda galaxy, and were originally a mercantile civilization, primarily interested in free trade and willing to share their technology with all races they deemed worthy. A Skrull delegation to the planet Hala, home to the then-barbaric Kree and the peaceful Cotati, held a contest between the two races to determine with whom the Skrulls would trade. The Cotati won, but the vengeful Kree massacred the Skrull delegation, took over the Skrull landing spaceship by force, and developed their own technology from it with which they began waging war against the Skrulls. Kree aggression forced the Skrulls to become a militaristic civilization, and the Kree-Skrull War continued for thousands of years with only brief interruptions. The Skrull Throneworld is later moved from Skrullos to the more central Tarnax IV, with their empire encompassing over fifty worlds.
The Skrull Eternals grew disenfranchised with the war, and when the opportunity presented itself to extricate themselves from it, they took it. The contest between the Kree and Skrulls that created the Inhumans allowed the Eternals to suggest that they should take up residence on the planet Mars so that they could monitor the Inhumans and the planet they lived on. The Skrull agreed and the Skrull Eternals adopted the red world as their own, becoming the Manhunters of Mars. After they had grown strong enough telepathically, they erased their memory from the collective minds of the Skrull race and charted their own path.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Steve Mitchell » Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:57 am

The Martians are the Skrull Eternals? That is tremendously cool.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by tm80401 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:12 am

That's actually pretty close to my own thinking.

The Skrulls are the base shapeshifting species. Skrull history is per Marvel Cannon.

Dire wraiths were a Skrull subspecies, who fled Skrullor to avoid extermination by the more populous group.

Durlans began as a Skrull religous sect, the Church of Impermanent Form. They didn't maintain a 'default' shape, didn't live most of their lives as the 'normal' Skrull appearance, and generally gave even the rest of the Skrulls the willies. They migrated to their own colony world shortly after the Skrulls made contact with the Kree, but before the Kree betrayal at the Blue Area of the moon became known. They rapidly and deliberately discarded knowledge of their origins as Skrulls. As with many religious groups, as soon as there wasn't a 'them' to unite against, they fragmented, ultimately resulting in the 6 minute war that devastated the planet.

Martians. Well, per Secret Invasion, there was only one surviving Skrull Eternal, and Skrull Eternals couldn't shapeshift. So, over the course of the Skrull Deviant-Eternal war, on rare occasions, there were Hybrids. Unlike the one known case of Human Deviant-Eternal cross breeding, where the offspring were baseline Human, Skrull cross breeds inherited the powers of both their parents. Knowing that the children would be killed as threats, they were hidden. By the end of the war, there were nearly 2 dozen cross-breed children. They hid in the mountains, masquerading as a religious sect. The population slowly grew to a few hundred. When the Skrulls took the Kree and the Coati to Earth's Moon, a Martian infiltrator stowed along. After the betrayal, this individual was able to get a message to it's bretheren that it had found a sanctuary for them. The Martians still on Skrullor stole a ship, and escaped to Mars. They chose Mars because it was uninhabitable by baseline Skrulls without life support equipment, but they could survive easily.

Despite the Millenia of time between their escape and now, the Martians are still extremely cautious of Skrulls, so much so, that they sent J'onn J'onzz to Earth after they discovered Skrull activity there.

(yeah, I think about this too much....)
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Libra » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:35 am

Just jot it down in a notebook - That works wonders for me (It doesn't stop this sort of thing entering my mind, but it does ensure that there's some circulation of fresh ideas). :wink:
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Sidious » Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:20 pm

Nice. Love the breakdown of the shapechangers.

Martians as Skrull Eternals has been floated around for years. I actually think either Kly'bn had something wrong with him or part of his ascension to godhood meant he was locked in one form.

I'm more than curious as to how a map of the universe would work out with all the intergalactic empires out there.
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