Taliesin's 3E Builds: Moonstone, Binary, Rulk, Wasp, Shang

[Foreshadow]

I love the builds.

The only exception would be Spider-Man as a PL 10. Because that means Captain America (PL 13) would walk all over Spidey. And the few times they fought, that just didn't happen. Cap and Spidey are more evenly matched than that.

I completely understand the rationale of making Cap a very high PL. If Batman has +20 attack, Captain America can't be far behind, and he also hits harder than Bats when you consider the shield bash adding to his Str, Ergo PL 13.

But Spidey should be at least PL 11.

If Spider-Man were made by Steve in an official Core book that featured Marvel characters, he would be PL 12. I was wondering what the Flash would be, and it turns out Steve chose 12. I can't see Steve making Spider-Man less than 12 but I don't think he'd probably make him higher either.

[Taliesin]

I love the builds.

The only exception would be Spider-Man as a PL 10. Because that means Captain America (PL 13) would walk all over Spidey. And the few times they fought, that just didn't happen. Cap and Spidey are more evenly matched than that.

I completely understand the rationale of making Cap a very high PL. If Batman has +20 attack, Captain America can't be far behind, and he also hits harder than Bats when you consider the shield bash adding to his Str, Ergo PL 13.

But Spidey should be at least PL 11.

If Spider-Man were made by Steve in an official Core book that featured Marvel characters, he would be PL 12. I was wondering what the Flash would be, and it turns out Steve chose 12. I can't see Steve making Spider-Man less than 12 but I don't think he'd probably make him higher either.

If we're talking about iconic Spidey the way we generally think of him and not the short-lived post-Other Spidey, I think PL11 is perfectly justifiable. I don't disagree that PL12 is reasonable, but unless you can read Steve's mind, I don't see how you can guarantee that he'd place Spidey at PL12.

And I don't think Flash's PL has anything to do with determining what Spidey's would have been. My 2E Flash was PL13 and 2E Spidey was PL10-11.

[Cinder]

Peter is PL 10 to 11 IMO.

The only exception would be Spider-Man as a PL 10. Because that means Captain America (PL 13) would walk all over Spidey. And the few times they fought, that just didn't happen. Cap and Spidey are more evenly matched than that.

If you think that he and Cap are so unbalanced in a fight, I think you should take them through a couple battles and see how it comes out.

[twilock]

Any chance of getting a Superboy Prime?
I think it would be interesting to see what this kid looks like in numbers, considering when he is at full charge, it takes a goodly number of heroes to stop him.

[Samson]

Any chance of getting a Superboy Prime?
I think it would be interesting to see what this kid looks like in numbers, considering when he is at full charge, it takes a goodly number of heroes to stop him.

I would think there is a good chance that may be covered in on of the upcoming offical DC products.

[twilock]

I can almost guarantee it will be. I however am somewhat impatient. Plus I like to look at Taliesin builds, as they give me a better understanding of the system and have a lot of ideas to steal.

[Samson]

I can almost guarantee it will be. I however am somewhat impatient. Plus I like to look at Taliesin builds, as they give me a better understanding of the system and have a lot of ideas to steal.

I understand, but not to be the bearer of bad news...

Hey Talie, I know you're concentrating on Marvel builds right now, but I'd like to request a build of a generic Blue Lantern.

I'm staying away from all DC builds right now because the official builds will be released soon, and I'm not at the point where I want to make my own interpretations of those characters.

[Taliesin]

Yeah, it's partly due to not wanting to duplicate effort. I'm not saying I want to create builds the way Steve would have created them--while he did produce a good chunk of the builds in H&V, he didn't build all of them--I do want to make builds that will "play nice" with the ones from DCA.

I will, however, produce builds that aren't in H&V, but of course, doing them now would give away what's in those books.

Superboy-Prime should be pretty easy, though--either treat him as PLX or knowing that most traits are soft-capped at 20, take the Superman build and add a rank or two to his traits up to 20.

[Taliesin]

Multiple Man
PL6

Abilities
Strength 2, Stamina 2, Agility 2, Dexterity 2, Fighting 5, Intellect 2, Awareness 1, Presence 1

Powers
Absorption Healing: Healing 2, Limited to Self, Limited: Only when “reabsorbing” a “healthier” duplicate • 1 point
Duplication: Summon Duplicate 6 (90 points), Continuous, Heroic, Horde, Mental Link, Multiple Minions 6 (64 minions), Sacrifice • 110 points
Kinetic Absorption: Immunity 20 (bludgeoning damage), Limited to Half Effect • 10 points

Advantages
Beginner’s Luck, Defensive Roll 2, Jack-Of-All-Trades, Languages 1 (Russian; base: English), Teamwork, Well-Informed

Skills
Acrobatics 4 (+6), Close Combat: Unarmed 2 (+7), Expertise: Science 4 (+6), Investigation 6 (+8), Ranged Combat: Guns 6 (+8), Sleight of Hand 6 (+8), Stealth 8 (+10), Treatment 2 (+4), Vehicles 6 (+8)

Offense
Initiative +2
Unarmed +7, Close, Damage 2

Defense
Dodge 7, Parry 7
Toughness 4 / 2*, Fortitude 6, Will 6
*Without Defensive Roll bonus.

Power Points
Abilities 34 + Powers 121 + Advantages 7 + Skills 22 + Defenses 16 = Total 200

Complications
Attack of the Clones: Jamie’s duplicates sometimes gain sufficient autonomy to actively oppose Madrox.
Involuntary Duplication: Jamie’s duplication may be activated when he is struck.
Prejudice: Mutant.

Real Name: Jamie Madrox

Design Notes:

Jamie’s Duplication power is obviously tailored for an NPC, with six ranks of Multiple Minions accounting for most of the cost. Even though his traits place him at PL6, Jamie has the cost of a PL13+ character, and with his very useful Duplication power and Teamwork advantage supporting team check actions, he’s probably close to the average of those two values. He’ll also make infrequent use of Equipment, particularly guns, with which he’s quite skilled.

I rebuilt Absorption Healing from 2E, and it’s pretty straightforward—he must absorb (deactivate with a free action) a less damaged duplicate to use the power.

[Flying Cobra]

Excellent Multiple Man, sir.

[Michuru81]

Excellent Multiple Man, sir.

I concur. I also dig him at PL 6--seems to fit the noir-like tone of X-Factor.

[Meskalamdug]

I was looking forward for this one. Great job as usual

[Aedan]

Hey Taliesin,

These are great builds of my favorite characters. You must have a lot of time on your hands .

Thanks for the awesome work, good job!

[Kenpo Wolf]

Thanks for doing my request, which was Multiple Man. Great job but I would think he would have a higher pl but what do I know since I don't have my head around all the rules yet

[Meskalamdug]

Thanks for doing my request, which was Multiple Man. Great job but I would think he would have a higher pl but what do I know since I don't have my head around all the rules yet

The PL sets the limits for the maximum capabilities of a character, since Madrox is pretty much a normal guy, and basically a one-man minion army, he really shouldn't be any higher than 6. His point cost is pretty high,however, so that shows is real potential much better than the PL.