Taliesin's 3E Builds: Moonstone, Binary, Rulk, Wasp, Shang

[Taliesin]

Taliesin;

I noticed something odd about your Captain Marvel build; he doesn't actually have Cosmic Awareness! He's got most of the things he can actually do with his extended cosmic awareness, but no actual CA or Benefit (Directed Inspiration). Was this on purpose?

Yeah. I broke down what he actually does and didn't think he actually needed that particular sense. There's also no Directed Inspiration in 3E as an example Benefit, and frankly, I don't think you actually need to have that benefit in order to use a HP to gain it.

[Sacremas]

Cool, just checking, as I'm working on a CM-like PC.

How about a character request then, one that'll let you flex the system a bit; THANOS! Obviously PL 16 like Darkseid (unlike many of your 3e conversions dropping a PL from 2e), but otherwise I'm interested to see how you handle the Marvel Universe's biggest cosmic threat below Galactus (usually). And actually his usual foil Adam Warlock would be fun as well...

[Taliesin]

Cool, just checking, as I'm working on a CM-like PC.

How about a character request then, one that'll let you flex the system a bit; THANOS! Obviously PL 16 like Darkseid (unlike many of your 3e conversions dropping a PL from 2e), but otherwise I'm interested to see how you handle the Marvel Universe's biggest cosmic threat below Galactus (usually). And actually his usual foil Adam Warlock would be fun as well...

I've got Thanos mostly built. He's PL16, which is still one PL lower than my 2E build.

[Taliesin]

Captain Britain
PL12

Abilities
Strength 15, Stamina 10, Agility 2, Dexterity 2, Fighting 9, Intellect 2, Awareness 4, Presence 4

Powers
Captain Britain Costume: 28 points, Removable (-6 points) • 22 points total

Force Field: Immunity 5 (all environmental conditions); Protection 5, Impervious 10 • 20 points
Mental Shield: Enhanced Will 5, Impervious 10, Limited to Mental effects • 8 points

Enhanced Senses: Senses 5 (Extended Sight, Extended Hearing, Ultra-Hearing, Vision Counters Illusion) • 5 points
Flight: Flight 10 (2,000 MPH) • 20 points
Psychic Bond: Immunity 1 (Psylocke’s powers); Senses 1 (Communication Link [Psylocke]) • 2 points
Super-Strength: Enhanced Strength 3, Limited to Lifting (lifting Str 18; 6,400 tons) • 3 points

Advantages
Improved Initiative, Interpose, Power Attack

Skills
Acrobatics 4 (+6), Expertise: British History and Mythology 8 (+10), Expertise: Science 8 (+10), Technology 4 (+6), Vehicles 6 (+8)

Offense
Initiative +6
Unarmed +9, Close, Damage 15

Defense
Dodge 9, Parry 9
Toughness 15 (Impervious), Fortitude 12, Will 7 / 12 (Impervious 10, mental effects)

Power Points
Abilities 96 + Powers 52 + Advantages 3 + Skills 17 + Defenses 12 = Total 180

Complications
Power Loss: Unless he wears his amplifier costume, Captain Britain gradually loses his powers (except for Psychic Bond) and his Strength and Stamina (to a minimum of 3) when away from the British Isles or their extradimensional equivalents (such as the Otherworld).
Relationships: Protective of sister, Psylocke and wife, Meggan.
Reputation: Arrogant bastard.

Real Name: Brian Braddock

Design Notes: At this point in his career, Captain Braddock is mostly a paragon with a magical power source and no ranged attack. His powers have gone through several iterations, with the most current tying his power loss to his level of self-confidence, similar to that of Gladiator.

Herolab File

[UnkindMirror]

Captain Britain Costume: 28 points, Removable (-6 points) • 22 points total

I think that should be Removable (-5 points).

[Taliesin]

Captain Britain Costume: 28 points, Removable (-6 points) • 22 points total

I think that should be Removable (-5 points).

So this is an interesting issue: Herolab and the example in M&M3 HH (and Jon-L) all say that you round to the nearest 5 points when calculating the cost of Removable, even after I noted that the RAW description of Removable contradicts this.

[UnkindMirror]

I noticed that the Removable example in the 3e HH said dividing 98 by 5 nets you 20, but they could have made that just a bit more explicit if that's actually the intent.

Because I read "-1/-2 per 5 total" as pretty clear in that you don't round.

[Taliesin]

I noticed that the Removable example in the 3e HH said dividing 98 by 5 nets you 20, but they could have made that just a bit more explicit if that's actually the intent.

Because I read "-1/-2 per 5 total" as pretty clear in that you don't round.

Yeah, I'm fine with either one, since all it does is change the breakpoints, but I'd rather one or the other be revised to be internally consistent.

[Samson]

Nice build for Captain Britain, HL POR build off the bat! Awesome x2!

[Sacremas]

Nice Captain Britain! Thanks a lot!

I wonder a bit if the current version could be said to be the "iconic" version like with the others, but Brian's fluctuated so much over the years that I'm not sure if he really has an actual iconic version... And besides with this starting point it's easy to adjust if you prefer a version where all the powers are in the costume or the like.

EDIT: And I just noticed you stuck to 15 points/PL with the good Captain, nice! I generally prefer an accurate representation rather than sticking to PC rules, but if I can have both, well that's just awesome!

[Taliesin]

Thanos
PL16

Abilities
Strength 17, Stamina 20, Agility 2, Dexterity 2, Fighting 12, Intellect 8, Awareness 4, Presence 6

Powers
Barred from Death: Immortality 5 • 10 points
Cosmic Energy Control: Array (40 points)

• Cosmic Blast: Ranged Damage 19, Affects Insubstantial, Variable Descriptor (any cosmic) • 40 points
• Matter Manipulation: Transform 8 (anything into anything, 100 lbs.) • 1 point
• Mental Blast: Perception Ranged Damage 10, Resisted by Will • 1 point
• Teleportation: Teleport 19 (2,000 miles), Increased Mass 2 • 1 point

Eternal: Immunity 12 (Aging, Life Support, Need for Sleep); Impervious Toughness 12 • 24 points
Outside the Loop of Destiny: Concealment 1 (Precognition) • 2 points
Telepathy: Mental Communication 1; Comprehend Languages 2 • 8 points

Advantages
Benefit 8 (Wealth and Resources), Fearless, Inventor, Power Attack, Takedown

Skills
Close Combat: Unarmed 2 (+14), Deception 8 (+14), Expertise: Magic 10 (+18), Insight 6 (+10), Intimidation 12 (+18), Perception 4 (+8), Ranged Combat: Cosmic Energy Control 10 (+12), Technology 16 (+24), Vehicles 8 (+10)

Offense
Initiative +2
Cosmic Blast +12, Ranged, Damage 19
Mental Blast, Perception Ranged, Damage 10 (Resisted by Will, DC25)
Unarmed +14, Close, Damage 17

Defense
Dodge 12, Parry 12
Toughness 20 (Impervious 12), Fortitude 20, Will 12

Power Points
Abilities 142 + Powers 87 + Advantages 12 + Skills 38 + Defenses 18 = Total 297

Complications
Obsession: With Death.

Real Name: Thanos

Design Notes: I built Thanos with Darkseid as a comparator. Frankly, I think both of their Intellect scores should be 12 (and Brainiac’s maybe a bit higher) but that’s a change that should affect both of them. Thanos has a slightly weaker Cosmic Blast than Darkseid’s Omega Beams but he’s a bit more durable. Thanos is outside the loop of destiny (a feature shared with Adam Warlock and that I should add to Mar-Vell)--basically, his future isn’t written and he’s often a major player in cosmic events.

[UnkindMirror]

Thanos is missing a +2 bonus to make up the difference between Fighting 12 and the listed +14 attack bonus for the unarmed attack.

Expertise: Magic should be 12 (+20)

[The Ilethryl Knight]

Thanos

Outside the Loop of Destiny: Concealment 1 (Precognition) • 2 points

Cool!

Teleportation: Teleport 19 (2,000 miles), Increased Mass 2 • 1 point[/list]

Seeing as Teleport has such short ranges at the higher ranks in comparison to how it worked in 2E, shouldn't Thanos have some means of Space Travel?

[Taliesin]

Thanos

Outside the Loop of Destiny: Concealment 1 (Precognition) • 2 points

Cool!

Teleportation: Teleport 19 (2,000 miles), Increased Mass 2 • 1 point[/list]

Seeing as Teleport has such short ranges at the higher ranks in comparison to how it worked in 2E, shouldn't Thanos have some means of Space Travel?

I didn't include his throne or spaceship, and I'm leaving Space Travel to those vehicles.

[Taliesin]

Thanos is missing a +2 bonus to make up the difference between Fighting 12 and the listed +14 attack bonus for the unarmed attack.

Expertise: Magic should be 12 (+20)

Thanks.