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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:35 pm

Charles Phipps wrote:Galactus
Rumors Galactus has a daughter are not only untrue, they're profoundly untrue.
Suuure they are.... :wink:

Anyways, good to see you working on this thread again.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Libra » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:21 pm

I'll second that last part! (admittedly even as I wonder what I myself could possibly add). :mrgreen:
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:26 pm

I'm open to character and event questions.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Libra » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:37 pm

Well here is one then; how would you characterise the Guardians of the Universe?

I confess that my own opinion of them is more sympathetic than not, but confident that they're not very close to perfect; bluntly they need the Green Lantern Corps to prevent their being lost in the Big Picture, but would probably still do better to let the Corps manage it's own day-to-day affairs.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:59 pm

The Guardians of the Universe

The Guardians take a lot of flack, a LOT of flack.

The first is for the fact that they believe that logic should be the guiding force of all dealings as opposed to emotion. The Guardians' mean for this to be in means as opposed to ends, however. The Guardians desire a peaceful, ordered, and happy universe where sapients are free to pursue their own cultural and spiritual enlightenment to their heart's content.

This end is an emotional one, brought about by the desire of the Guardians to make the universe a better place. They do not seek power and have no interest in dominating species. If they'd desired to, they could have carved a space empire across the universe dwarfing anything the Khunds or Dominators could imagine, but instead have only their own singular planet to call home.

Instead, the Guardians believe that the ends justify the means but there is almost always a long-term benefit to following the path of mercy and peace-making versus warmongering and fear. In short, they take the view that "Good is Logical", something that many short-sighted species are incapable of realizing. Are the Guardians capable of some shady and underhanded things?

Yes, when this is absolutely necessary, they are willing to do whatever it takes to protect the galactic good. However, what their detractors fail to realize is the Guardians are fully capable of changing their mind if presented with better options. They are over a billion years old, individually, and have seen it all but are surprisingly humble. This is due to the fact that they see no logical purpose in being haughty and they understand that the insights of "shorter-lived races" are needed in order to make decisions affecting them.

This is why the Guardians of the Universe use Green Lanterns from the worlds they patrol as opposed to doing it themselves (not to mention the Manhunter incident that they've only recently discovered wasn't their fault to begin with). The Guardians do not make values judgments the way that people would think they could. They understand that planets like Earth are meant to go through periods of strife and trouble as part of their growing up. They believe that only wisdom attained by the subjects themselves will be valuable wisdom, so they offer their advice without attempting to impose their will.

Of course, when planets attempt to destroy themselves or conquer other worlds then it falls to the Green Lantern Corps to intervene. Many people might find that this is horrible interferance from a foreign power but the Guardians strongly believe the right for any species to impose its will on another ends at the moment it's done with more than words. They are capable of defending themselves against any retaliation, usually nonviolently, and believe that their Green Lantern Corps ultimately forces people to evolve at a more enlightened pace.

Honestly, it's difficult to argue with the results. Countless millions of peaceful and semi-peaceful societies have evolved thanks to the Guardians influence. It's one of the reasons that only 3600 Green Lanterns were needed until recently. The universe was mostly a peaceful and pleasant place. It's only recently that such terrible things as the Anti-Monitor, Nekron, Parrallax, the Sinestro Corps, and other groups have started to call the Guardians time-honored practices into question. The Guardians were even destroyed by renegade Green Lantern Hal Jordan at one point, highlighting how vulnerable they are.

Even though they reincarnated, gender restored to the group for the first time in ages, it showed the Guardians how vulnerable they are. It made them feel fear. Ironically, it is emotion and its resulting short-sightedness the galaxy should fear from the Guardians. But will the player characters be able to make them return to their former philosophy? Who knows.

The Green Lantern Corps in Earth-777's Galaxy

It should be noted that the Kree and Skrull Empires reject the Green Lantern Corps and have outlawed their presence in their space (despite having individual members in the Corps in the past). This is due to the Guardians failed attempts to resolve their million year long war. The Badoon have no real opinion on the matter, having mostly been too primitive in mindset to have internal strife and only recently having become aggressive. The Sh'iar, by contrast, welcome the Guardians influence and have had many Green Lanterns come from their worlds.

Even Deathbird and D'Ken the Mad welcomed their influence. It was a sign of how stupid and short-sighted that Vulcan was when he attempted to outlaw them from his space, resulting in their defeating much of the Shi'ar warfleet sent to annihilate the Kree.

The Nova Guard was explicitly based on the Green Lantern Corps, the Worldmind attempting to create a force that would serve in a singular galaxy in a much larger role where multiple galaxies are patrolled by a single Green Lantern. The Guardians found the idea somewhat amusing but largely approved of it, despite the drastic differences in a Nova Guardsman and Green Lantern's power level. Richard Ryder's attempts to rebuild the Corps have been assisted by Hal Jordan and Kyle Raynar, who know something of the matter.

It should be noted that while Earth's Green Lanterns are technically supposed to patrol the various empires, they mostly hang back on Earth or handle the Shi'ar's outlying worlds. This is due to not only the Kree and Skrull rejecting their influence but the fact the Shi'ar are mostly capable of handling their own business. Obviously, this changed with recent events and it was to Hal Jordan's eternal dismay he couldn't get more involved in the events following Annihilus' attack due to Sinestro's assaults against the Corps and their families.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Libra » Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:14 pm

Excellent work Charles! :mrgreen:

This very much marches nicely alongside my own mental image of the Guardians, as a venerable, honourable, enlightened but far from perfect species which has essentially remade itself to become an institution, in pursuit of a Greater Good for the Galaxy and has sometimes suffered for their pains.

One idea that occurred to me is that the recent bumpy ride for the Corps has been caused by the fact that while the Guardians have once again attained physical and mental maturity, their emotional development could not be speeded at the same pace (being too intimately bound up with their powers), which has left the modern Guardians a bit less stable in their willfulness - something which they are acutely aware of and which tends to cause them to stand on their dignity a bit TOO much.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Voltron64 » Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:07 pm

Charles Phipps wrote:The Guardians of the Universe

The Guardians take a lot of flack, a LOT of flack.

The first is for the fact that they believe that logic should be the guiding force of all dealings as opposed to emotion. The Guardians' mean for this to be in means as opposed to ends, however. The Guardians desire a peaceful, ordered, and happy universe where sapients are free to pursue their own cultural and spiritual enlightenment to their heart's content.

This end is an emotional one, brought about by the desire of the Guardians to make the universe a better place. They do not seek power and have no interest in dominating species. If they'd desired to, they could have carved a space empire across the universe dwarfing anything the Khunds or Dominators could imagine, but instead have only their own singular planet to call home.

Instead, the Guardians believe that the ends justify the means but there is almost always a long-term benefit to following the path of mercy and peace-making versus warmongering and fear. In short, they take the view that "Good is Logical", something that many short-sighted species are incapable of realizing. Are the Guardians capable of some shady and underhanded things?

Yes, when this is absolutely necessary, they are willing to do whatever it takes to protect the galactic good. However, what their detractors fail to realize is the Guardians are fully capable of changing their mind if presented with better options. They are over a billion years old, individually, and have seen it all but are surprisingly humble. This is due to the fact that they see no logical purpose in being haughty and they understand that the insights of "shorter-lived races" are needed in order to make decisions affecting them.

This is why the Guardians of the Universe use Green Lanterns from the worlds they patrol as opposed to doing it themselves (not to mention the Manhunter incident that they've only recently discovered wasn't their fault to begin with). The Guardians do not make values judgments the way that people would think they could. They understand that planets like Earth are meant to go through periods of strife and trouble as part of their growing up. They believe that only wisdom attained by the subjects themselves will be valuable wisdom, so they offer their advice without attempting to impose their will.

Of course, when planets attempt to destroy themselves or conquer other worlds then it falls to the Green Lantern Corps to intervene. Many people might find that this is horrible interferance from a foreign power but the Guardians strongly believe the right for any species to impose its will on another ends at the moment it's done with more than words. They are capable of defending themselves against any retaliation, usually nonviolently, and believe that their Green Lantern Corps ultimately forces people to evolve at a more enlightened pace.

Honestly, it's difficult to argue with the results. Countless millions of peaceful and semi-peaceful societies have evolved thanks to the Guardians influence. It's one of the reasons that only 3600 Green Lanterns were needed until recently. The universe was mostly a peaceful and pleasant place. It's only recently that such terrible things as the Anti-Monitor, Nekron, Parrallax, the Sinestro Corps, and other groups have started to call the Guardians time-honored practices into question. The Guardians were even destroyed by renegade Green Lantern Hal Jordan at one point, highlighting how vulnerable they are.

Even though they reincarnated, gender restored to the group for the first time in ages, it showed the Guardians how vulnerable they are. It made them feel fear. Ironically, it is emotion and its resulting short-sightedness the galaxy should fear from the Guardians. But will the player characters be able to make them return to their former philosophy? Who knows.
I bet ya they can.
The Green Lantern Corps in Earth-777's Galaxy

It should be noted that the Kree and Skrull Empires reject the Green Lantern Corps and have outlawed their presence in their space (despite having individual members in the Corps in the past). This is due to the Guardians failed attempts to resolve their million year long war. The Badoon have no real opinion on the matter, having mostly been too primitive in mindset to have internal strife and only recently having become aggressive. The Sh'iar, by contrast, welcome the Guardians influence and have had many Green Lanterns come from their worlds.

Even Deathbird and D'Ken the Mad welcomed their influence. It was a sign of how stupid and short-sighted that Vulcan was when he attempted to outlaw them from his space, resulting in their defeating much of the Shi'ar warfleet sent to annihilate the Kree.
Well, like the Sentry & Superboy Prime, Vulcan was an arrogant Psychopathic Manchild.

Speaking of which, imagine the clash of fragile egos and Omega-level mutant powers that would resulted if Vulcan and the Sentry battled each other? :shock:
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Ares » Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:23 pm

Charles Phipps wrote:Am I needlessly rewriting stuff?
No, you aren't. You're re-writing these stories in a way that makes sense given the entire universe's worth of extra character attached to them, and most of said storylines were gawd awful, so the re-writes wind up making a lot more sense and would have been much more entertaining to read your way,

Heck, in this merged continuity, the War of the Gods storyline would have been a LOT more interesting.
Charles Phipps wrote:The Incredible Hercules has a deep friendship with Amaedeus Cho, Captain America, Namor, Thor, the Eternal Gilgamesh, Namorita, Angel, the Incredible Hulk, and a number of other heroes. Perhaps his oddest friendship is with Captain Marvel, who often serves as a substitute Amadeus Cho whenever Hercules comes to visit Fawcett City. Hercules has this to say about the Big Red Cheese: "I hereby and absolutely swear by Zeus, Gaia, and my mortal mother I will NEVER come onto his sister again. Comely wench that she may be."


Captain Marvel should pretty much be friends with any hero that isn't a borderline psychotic. I could see him and Herc hanging out, Herc having a big tankard of ale, Cap drinking a malt, discussing recent fights. And I can easily see Cap acting as Herc's shoulder angel when Cho isn't around.
The irony that Captain Marvel managed to beat Hercules using strength that COMES from Hercules is not lost on Hercules, though he's still not sure how it works.
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The first is that Cap isn't drawing power directly from the gods and heroes themselves. Instead, when creating the Shazam pact, each member of the sextet allows Shazam to use them as a template for a spell that will duplicate the aspects of their abilities that Shazam desires. This allows his Champion to have the "Power of So and So" without actually cutting into the gods own power. It also ties into Cap's powers being mystical in nature, since it's a mystical spell replicating the powers of the gods, making their attributes mystical in nature.

The second is a bit more meta, with the idea that magic itself is broken down into several aspects, such as Power, Strength, Wisdom and the like, and that the heroes/gods of the mythic age were all linked to magic through the attribute they were most well known for. Zeus and Odin, for instance, are both linked to Power, being the skyfathers of their individual pantheon. This is why most gods who share the same 'portfolio', like Herc and Thor both having the Strength aspect, are as strong as each other: they're drawing on the exact same primal source of mystical energy, they just channel it slightly differently due to their innate natures and the pantheons they belong to.

What the Shazam pact does is allow Shazam's chosen to channel the aspect of magic his patron's are linked to, but that power is 'filtered' through the patron, so it is slightly different than if it had been channeled through a different god.

So even though Cap and Adam draw their powers from different pantheons, the powers they draw on are equal, but there are subtle differences due to the natures of the gods being different.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Sidious » Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:14 pm

Charles Phipps wrote:The Guardians of the Universe
Richard Ryder's attempts to rebuild the Corps have been assisted by Hal Jordan and Kyle Katarn, who know something of the matter.
Just a small thing. other wise a really good take on the little blue guys.
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:16 pm

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:22 pm

Voltron64 wrote:Well, like the Sentry & Superboy Prime, Vulcan was an arrogant Psychopathic Manchild.

Speaking of which, imagine the clash of fragile egos and Omega-level mutant powers that would resulted if Vulcan and the Sentry battled each other? :shock:
At heart, Robert wants to be a superhero. It's just, again, he's a psychopath who has a Multiple Personality (in the classical psychological sense versus the Hollywood version) who takes over when things don't go his way. Vulcan is a more classical PURE sociopath who just has no capacity for anything beyond himself. In real life, sociopaths can be treated and integrated into society but Vulcan got utterly warped by his upbringing until he became Space Commodus.

Vulcan might have an early advantage since Robert is going to freak out if he CAN'T save people and Vulcan won't care if he destroys whatever planet they're fighting on. However, once the Void appears, I think Vulcan would honestly get torn to pieces.
Ares wrote:No, you aren't. You're re-writing these stories in a way that makes sense given the entire universe's worth of extra character attached to them, and most of said storylines were gawd awful, so the re-writes wind up making a lot more sense and would have been much more entertaining to read your way,

Heck, in this merged continuity, the War of the Gods storyline would have been a LOT more interesting.
Yeah, I definitely agree. Personally, I'm a sucker for heroes actually being able to do more good than the villains are able to do evil. Evil isn't the equal of the good and this means that the worlds are somewhat lighter and brighter than both the Marvel and DCU continuities themselves. It's still a serious universe that's not quite as light as Marvel Adventures (sadly) or All-Star Superman (really sadly) but it's a world where good guys can do good.
Ares wrote:Captain Marvel should pretty much be friends with any hero that isn't a borderline psychotic. I could see him and Herc hanging out, Herc having a big tankard of ale, Cap drinking a malt, discussing recent fights. And I can easily see Cap acting as Herc's shoulder angel when Cho isn't around.
It helps, I think that Captain Marvel is still delightfully free of angst despite being one of the original superheroes. Hercules respects that and it gives him hope the world can be a better place because of heroes.
Ares wrote:My take on the Power of Shazam has been one of two methods:
Nice suggestions!

My thoughts on the matter is similar to the second. At heart, Hercules is a GOD and that means that he can be a chanel for the magic of strength. Just like a D&D cleric, Captain Marvel gets Superman levels of strength from Hercules without weakening Hercules himself, whose own strength is only EMBODIED in him as opposed to it being his strength directly.

Then again, this is basically the same way it works in Slayers with Shabranigdo being the source of the Dragon Slave and some idiots trying to use it against him.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:22 pm

BTW, I updated the events again.
Black Lantern Saga: An event even more devastating given the staggering number of deceased friends and relatives in the Marvel Universe.

Thanks to the assistance of Spiderman, who had already defeated the OBSCENE caricatures of his Aunt and Uncle through the power of his emotions, Captain Boomerrang Junior was freed from Nekron's influence (which had a mind-control element the emotionally conflicted young man couldn't resist). Likewise, Firestorm was prevented from killing Gehenna by the timely intervention of Captain America.

Yes, in the Combined Universe the "Big Damn Heroes" have the edge. Doctor Doom received a ring of greed, Captain America a ring of hope, the Punisher received a ring of rage, Spiderman a ring of willpower, and Moon Knight a ring of fear. Mary Jane Watson Parker also joined in the fight against Nekron, gaining the brief power of Star Saphire.

Spiderman said she had the tamest costume there and it was STILL outrageously hot.

Cancerverse: A reality totally corrupted by the power of Shuma-Gortath and other "Great Old Ones" was something that the Green Lantern Corps was as unprepared for as anyone else. Hal Jordan's stubborn refusal to kill even in the face of this horror caused many a rift between them.

Likewise, the "corrupted" versions of the Green Lantern Corps proved very formidable. In the end, the destruction of the Cancerverse universe happened in spite of many DC heroes efforts. Nevertheless, Richard Ryder and a number of heroes survived who normally wouldn't have.

Thanos is BELIEVED to have been killed but, in fact, was rescued by Nekron. Hilariously, Death finally sat down and talked with Thanos and pointed out the fact that she didn't NEED anyone to massacre people in her name and that "Mistress Death" was largely a product of his own delusions.

Thanos attempted to kill her then, one of the most ridiculously one sided battles in history. Death, of course, just blocked his attack with her cute umbrella.

Civil War: A much lower-key event in this universe. The Justice League of America's refusal to cooperate with the government lead to Cadmus being briefly restructured to attack them in a manner similar to the Justice League Unlimited cartoon. The Registration Act, however, was ironically a fairly innocuous bill which was subverted by Anti-Meta forces in the government (specifically the forces behind Weapon-X and Checkmate).

The events of Max Lord's clone, OMAC, the attack on Paradise Island, and other horrors were traced squarely back to this event. Iron Man, in this universe, actually joined the cause explicitly for the purposes of running interference. It was his hope by working with the government that he would be able to dismantle these groups. Unfortunately, he hadn't counted on one of his major supporters being a Skrull (in this case, the Hank Pym Skrull created a "Thor-Android" from the remnants of Amazo and then programmed it to try and murder heroes in order to drive a wedge between them).

While it left a bad taste in everyone's mouth, in truth Reed Richards and Tony Stark managed to have large numbers of Weapon-X and its supporters arrested in the aftermath of the Civil War event. They also set guidelines and precedents for how vigilantes were allowed to operate. They also managed to "deputize" virtually every superhero in the United States who wasn't a member of the Justice League or Avengers.

The staggering irony was that the events of Avengers Disassembled had left Captain America and Iron Man at loggerheads when they normally would have been able to solve the problem without difficulty. Captain America could only see the human rights violations and Iron Man could only see the need to fix the government when normally, both would have cooperated to do both.

In this universe, it was not the Negative Zone where the prison was constructed but the Phantom Zone. It worked out about as well (Annihilus still attacked the Positive Matter Universe, belying his claim that the Positive Matter Universe was "invading" his).

Dark Reign: While blocked from becoming President of the United States, Lex Luthor had funded countless expeditions to warp the fabric of the American dream. One of these included a almost complete white-washing of Norman Osbourne's record and the installation of him as Assistant Director of SHIELD (in charge of North America). This lead to widespread protests and Norman was never as popular as he appeared to be, roughly coming across as a Lex Luthor-influenced crony from the beginning. What little political capital Luthor had left after the event was removed with Norman's final breakdown.

The Justice League of America managed to avoid the worst of it due to the fact that the actual Max Lord, rescued by the Runaways of all people, was able to reinstate their international charter. While Director Osbourne did his absolute best to impede their efforts in the United States, he was unable to do anything about their popularity. The Question, Barbara Gordon, the Birds of Prey, Hawkeye, the Outsiders, Daredevil, Manhunter, and Moon Knight formed an oddball alliance meant to undermine his regime whenever possible and funnel people away from his Thunderbolts project. Likewise, the team managed to gather enough evidence to not only remove Norman Osbourne from power but permanently destroy his financial empire.

While Norman was still able to attack New Asgard in Oklahoma, he was forced to do so with a collection of Doctor Doom-constructed robots, Thunderbolts crooks, Human Decoy Model Droids, and mercenaries he'd hired during his tenure as Director. In short, the attack was a complete disaster and actually managed to capture a substantial population of North America's supercriminal population in one go.

Fifty-Two: Black Adam would have been stopped much earlier if not for the events in Asgard and the Disassembling of the Avengers. The population of Biayala was not completely annihilated, however, and its survivors were annexed by Doctor Doom along with the former territories of Slorenia (destroyed by Ultron) and Vlatava (actually prevented from being destroyed by the Specter by Captain Universe Spiderman).

This massive push that tripled the size of Latveria and made it as large as present day Romania was assisted by Norman Osbourne and the Max Lord clone. The Max Lord clone erroneously believed he could control Doctor Doom only to discover that the ruler of the country was possessed of unconquerable willpower.

Black Adam was briefly sheltered by Doctor Doom afterward, later imprisoned by the Doctor who attempted to steal his Shazam-granted powers.

The Question actually made it to K'un-L'un with the assistance of Rene Montoya and Danny Rand. With the assistance of the Taoist immortals and herablists there, Vic Sage survived his lung cancer and is now on a "ten year regime" of kung fu and spiritual cleansing to cure it. Rene and Danny have since teamed up on several occasions.

House of M: The aftermath of de-powering 90% of mutants in North America was much less catastrophic. There are still thousands of mutants left in the world, though the X-men are still understandably alarmed by the whole thing and feel like their charter was yanked out from under them.

Ironically, Superman believes Scott Summers has allowed Emma Frost and events like it to taint his perspective on events. With the help of Doctor Fate and several other extra magicians, limited fixes for Mutants have been done, though not the total reversal of the devastation.

The Terror-Smith, a wannabe supervillain from the DCU's forgettable Bloodlines event, actually became one of the more powerful supervillains in the world with the realization he could restore lost Mutant abilities. He's since become a tool of Apocalypse, Exodus, and several other figures as he fails to realize able to 'create' superpowered beings doesn't mean he can control them.

New Krypton: With the assistance of Captain America and Iron Man, Superman was able to prevent General Lane's destruction of New Krypton. Likewise, Kal-El was able to expose the corrupt Zod administration as the warmongering psychos they were.

As a result, a peace treaty was negotiated between the Kryptonian Science Council and the people of planet Earth. The peace treaty has, surprisingly, managed to survive the directorship of Norman Osbourne (who had been privately funding Sam Lane's crusade) and the resulting political fallout. Lois Lane, through her reporting skills, was also able to confirm that the Sam Lane in question was in fact a Skrull impostor along with her sister. Both have since been recovered intact and sane.

New Krypton is still largely isolationist but has begun making tentative diplomatic overtures to Doomworld (Counter Earth) and the Inhumans. The Inhumans, especially, give the Kryptonians cause to believe humanity may evolve into a race worthy of attention.
I imagine Reed Richards has probably made a few trips to New Krypton since then.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Libra » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:36 pm

Splendid stuff Charles! :D
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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:36 am

Hydra

The Nazis on Earth-777 came perilously close to winning World War 2 due to the assistance of geniuses who might have better utilized their talents in causes other than the enslavement of humanity. Baroness Paula Von Gunther, Baron Blitzkrieg, Baron Von Strucker, Baron Zemo, The Red Skull, and the Ultra-Humanite just being a few of them. Of course, the problem with this is all of these individuals were infinitely more intelligent than Adolf Hitler and his inner circle.

The only reason they weren't part of Hitler's Inner Circle, with the exception of the Red Skull, was because Hitler was aware that all of them held ambitions of replacing him as Furher. There was also the not inconsiderable fact that the majority of them were minor members of the nobility and held feudalist views versus Nazi meant that they were kept from a position of true political power. Perhaps inevitably, these individuals noticed this discrepancy and created their own Shadow Circle.
It should be noted that there is a difference between the "Hydra of Today" and the "Hydra of Antiquity." The Hydra of Antiquity is a branch of the Vandal Savage founded Illuminati, which was a cult of personality combined with a series of satellite organizations he founded which carried on after he moved to other nations for greener pastures. Despite Vandal Savage's arrogance, the Hydra of antiquity was never fully under his control and swiftly went about its own business under a variety of masters.

While Baron Von Strucker and a number of his associates had ties to this organization through German occultism, General Nick Fury has read a little too much into the belief Hydra has and has always been manipulating world affairs.
Money originally set aside for Hitler's pet projects were instead funneled into creating a "bolt hole" for these individuals and their followers. This accelerated Hitler's defeat and also probably saved millions of lives but it would later lead to a continuing scourge on humanity. Nevertheless, Hydra didn't begin overnight. Having purchased an island from the corrupt Chinese government, Hydra became deeply immersed in the Cold War. Foolishly, the United States initially thought Hydra could be used as an ally against the Soviet Union due to their anti-communist leanings. Ironically, the Soviet Union thought the same since Hydra was eager to portray itself to Mao as an organization with socialist leanings.

Playing the two superpowers against one another, Hydra constructed a vast network of fascist sympathizers across the world. It was during the 1970s that they began their first real push against the world, finding itself up against the newly formed United Nations anti-terrorist task force known as SHIELD. After several devastating strikes against both powers and the threat of nuclear annihilation, the Soviet Union and United States put aside much of their normal hostility to cooperate in rooting out the threat of Hydra. This proved more difficult than expected since Hydra was actually color-blind regarding its recruitment and were to work with everyone from Arab Oil Sheiks to the Yakuza. Likewise, Hydra perfected crude cloning techniques which meant that they would literally never un out of soldiers.
Note: Unlike SHADOW, Hydra doesn't exclusively rely on clones and actually considers them to be inferior to recruits. This is due to the fact that Baron Von Strucker never trusted the Ultra Humanite and believes that such beings are little better than cannon fodder. To be fair, he has something of a point with this because Hydra clones are mostly indoctrinated stooges that have little in the way of imagination or personality. Captured HYDRA clones almost invariably die out within weeks due to their psychological dependency on their conditioning. As a result, even Captain America finds little problem in killing them as he considers it a mercy to end such travesties of life.

So far, no way to reverse the indoctrination process has been discovered.
Hydra came perilously close to dominating the world on several occassions but ultimately went through a severe downturn in the 1980s through 1990s. The first problem came with the defection of Baroness Paula Von Gunther to Paradise Island after the end of World War 2, which exposed many of their early plans to the Allies. Ironically, this meant that many scientists originally slated to join Hydra like Werner Von Braun ended up working for the United States and Soviet Union. The second problem came with the return of Captain America. Baron Zemo exposed himself and his branch of the organization due to his overwhelming hatred of the man, ultimately wasting countless resources in his personal grudge. Then the Red Skull, newly returned from decades in suspended animation, claimed a vast collection of HYDRA resources for himself.

These problems would have been bad enough if not for the tireless efforts of Nick Fury. Hampered by bureaucratic red tape he, correctly, suspected to be the work of Hydra sympathizers; he repeatedly went after Baron Strucker in the belief that he was the weak link of the organization. Contrary to Hydra's rhetoric, with the exception of Viper, no one was really capable of leading the organization but Baron Von Strucker. While Nick was never able to permanently kill the Baron, he incapacitated him on many occasions and this caused many of Hydra's sub-chiefs to decide that they might do better on their own.
One of Baron Von Strucker's goals is to the various "heads" of Hydra. These include Advanced Idea Mechanics (AIM), the Secret Empire, S.C.Y.T.H.E, and the Hand (despite said organization being far older than the "modern" Hydra). These organizations effectively became independent with the fall of Baron Von Strucker and are mostly pursuing their own interests.

Some serve Modok, some serve AIM's Scientist Supreme, some serve the Red Skull, and some are just mercenaries. Were Baron Von Strucker to gain them all, he would wield the power of a first world nation. At present, he simply controls the world's largest terrorist organization and "merely" billions of dollars.
Hydra is currently back on the rise despite a lot of flack it's taken. Particularly, Wolverine's rampage killed a staggering number of operatives which normally would not have been troublesome if not for the fact they weren't clones. Likewise, Viper lost her rulership of the island nation of Madripoor, which had been Hydra's replacement for the now-lost Hydra Island.

Hydra benefited tremendously from the events of Civil War, however, using the time of Norman Osbourne's directorship to rebuild its strength. As might be suspected, the War on Terror proved woefully ineffective against Hydra who preferred to integrate itself into the public at large rather than work with standard terrorist groups. Rumors attest that Baron Von Strucker has also made alliances with Intergang and Veronica Cale, perfume magnate turned Oolong Island dictator.

Recently, Paradise Island was attacked by a strange militant organization of soldiers who seemed determined to commit genocide against the Amazons for reasons unknown. While it is perhaps premature to think that Hydra is taking the Amazon's current political non-grata status as a time to eliminate a race of immortal warrior women, it's disturbingly possible that Paula Von Gunther herself might be responsible. After all, where has she been for so much of Themyscira's troubles?
It should be noted that individuals expecting Hydra to wield merely "cutting edge" technology will be surprised. Baron Von Strucker found a downed alien spacecraft early on and much of AIM's early success was due to reverse engineering much of the material. While the rest of the world has since caught up to the material found there, Baron Von Strucker still employs many of the greatest minds on Earth. He's even willing to, ugh, pay AIM for their discoveries if it benefits Hydra as a whole.

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Re: The Combined DCU-Marvel Universe thread

Post by Charles Phipps » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:03 pm

Updated the Index.

Man, that was a mess.

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