Flashpoint [DC event]

[Choos]

*******Potential Spoiler*********






So does this confirm Flashpoint will have an impact? Element Woman & Miranda Shrieve are new characters coming out of Flashpoint

http://furiousfanboys.com/2011/06/heres ... ce-league/

[BARON]

#3 came out today. loving it. i'm going to miss the fun DC come august.

[Kit]

So. Its over. Thoughts?

[saint_matthew]

So. Its over. Thoughts?

um.... "Thank god thats over" is what springs immediately to mind. To many tie-ins, the main story didn't carry enough weight that it didn't drop into spectacle story telling (in the same way "Age of X" did) & it was a "doesn't matter story", that was kind of shoe horned into mattering & you can kind of see where some stories were co-opted for that: Most notably Kid Flash.

[BARON]

my biggest gripe was the aquaman/wonder woman conflict didn't go anywhere. I wanted to see those two duke it out in grand fashion (and in the main book, not in some other one). other than that? *shrug* it clumsily led to the reboot. it didn't really make sense at all and I don't think DC cares. they just want the reboot to work.

flashpointless. yep.

[broken serenity]

So any one want to guess at how many trades dc will collect flashpoint into? and will they all be out by the time the huge first issue collection comes out in november?

[greycrusader]

my biggest gripe was the aquaman/wonder woman conflict didn't go anywhere. I wanted to see those two duke it out in grand fashion (and in the main book, not in some other one). other than that? *shrug* it clumsily led to the reboot. it didn't really make sense at all and I don't think DC cares. they just want the reboot to work.

flashpointless. yep.

Absolutely. Glad I picked up very few of these titles. Neither the final issue of Flashpoint or Kid Flash really made a lick of sense. It was just pseudo-scientific time travel doublespeak. I'm not even sure how to interpret the Kid Flash conclusion-are we to take it Max Mercury and Jay Garrick died before ever becoming speedster heroes in the new DCU (that would wreak havoc with Bart's timeline)? Or will that vanish along with the Flashpoint timeline? Is the Speed Force supposed to be sentient now?

How did the timeline "get splintered into three" as Barry discovers in the story? Didn't the timeline get split into 52 different versions about three-four years ago real world time? How did anything the Flash did bring the Wildstorm U heroes into the DC timeline?

Oh well-at least it's all over and Prof. Zoom is dead. Until he's not, of course, though Wally West's Zoom was a much superior villain IMHO. Remember, Reverse-Flash was just a minor foe for Barry (the obligatory evil double) until the "Prof. Zoom murdered Iris" arc, which ended the original Flash series (it started the destruction of the character's supporting cast). I liked the Prof's storylines in the second Flash book, but he should have stayed dead for good.

Speaking of Wally, I'm betting one of the worst things to come out of the reboot will be the reversion of Mr. West to the Kid Flash role in the Titans. I hope I am wrong.

I won't judge the new line by the weak, clumsy set-up however. But I will point out that no matter how much DC protests to the contrary, the end of Flashpoint leaves the door away to bringing back the former DCU.

All my best.

[saint_matthew]

Absolutely. Glad I picked up very few of these titles. Neither the final issue of Flashpoint or Kid Flash really made a lick of sense. It was just pseudo-scientific time travel doublespeak. I'm not even sure how to interpret the Kid Flash conclusion-are we to take it Max Mercury and Jay Garrick died before ever becoming speedster heroes in the new DCU (that would wreak havoc with Bart's timeline)? Or will that vanish along with the Flashpoint timeline? Is the Speed Force supposed to be sentient now?

Yeah, thats where i'm seeing the mash up of intention... Thats where i point and say "See, see where the join between the two different substances are." It was like they were writing one story, then DC announced the reboot & they had to takt that story and write a different story, using the facts they'd already established & without going under or over the alloted page or issue count. It doesn't quite work...

However the weird universal entity lady from that last issue of Flahspoint has appeared in the first issue of JLA. Have you spotted her yet?

[greycrusader]

The presence of the character has been pointed out to me. Again, I hope I'm proven incorrect, but I hypothesize the character will be an attempt to retroactively shoe-horn in a Monitor type entity. A cosmic or mystical being who will somehow explain in future issues that the new DCU is the "true" timeline, with the old post-crisis DCU, the Flashpoint verse, and Wildstorm U were the "splintered" timelines. So Barry just actually repaired everything, and the new DCU is how all is suppossed to be.

She'll warn of some impending menace, gather heroes, and they'll then all battle Darkseid or the Lords of Chaos or whomever.

Just my prediction.

[saint_matthew]

Yeah, about that shattered timelines thing: In booster Gold we were told that there was only 1 timeline now & that Flashpoint was it, so where did those other universes come from?

[Dr Archeville]

Yeah, about that shattered timelines thing: In booster Gold we were told that there was only 1 timeline now & that Flashpoint was it, so where did those other universes come from?

Either a] what we were told in Booster Gold was a lie, or b] the omniverse (multiverses contain many universes; the omniverse contains all multiverses. Mark Gruenwald coined the term.).
Or c] his fracturing of time created those other universes. Barry's already made one 'universe' (the Speed Force dimension).

[saint_matthew]

d. sudden impromptu creation of universes, to create reboot in a "organic" way. Even though universes did not really exist... Application of the term Hypertime will accour in 5... 4.. 3... 2... 1... Stop, Hypertime.

[Choos]

While I must admit I didn't get the whole 3 fractured timelines and was a bit disappointed that I still don't know if the multiverse exists I did like the art and the final confirmation Flashpoint was an event for the reboot.

[darktouch]

The impression I got from the art was that the three timelines that were splintered were:
- Old DC Universe
- Wildstorm Universe
- Vertigo Universe (At least a portion of it)

Putting the 3 timelines together isn't really something that Barry did so much as something added as a rider to the time shift by this other worldly entity.

At the beginning of Flash Point the other Barry Allen showed that while the 52 Universes exist (and they still existed Flashpoint as the Outsider had access to them) the main Earth 0 as the bottom of the pyramid is the one that matters. I'm going to guess that the 52 universes still exist but probably with some changes... Earth 3 has an evil version of Apollo or whatever.

In the end though, I'm disappointed that the solution was "Run Barry! Run!" and some of the plot points that looked like they were going somewhere but didn't yet. I'm fully expecting White Lantern Abin Sur to show up in the new timeline. On the other hand, I think I'll have some fun running a game in the Flashpoint Universe. Maybe an Amazon resistance game or something.