Combining the 2E and 3E damage charts

[Claire Redfield]

Here's my shot at modifying the 2E damage charts to be a bit more like the 3E ones, which I prefer since they're easier. Still, I generally prefer 2E as a basis, but anyway, I don't know. The non-lethal one looks fine to me. It's the lethal chart that I am not certain about.

Toughness (or other save) vs. (Damage Rank +15)
Non-lethal damage
Success: The damage has no effect.
Failure (one degree, 1-5 points): The target is bruised, suffering a -1 penalty to further saves against non-lethal damage.
Failure (two degrees, 6-10 points): The target is dazed and bruised; the character can take no actions, but retains full defenses.
Failure (three degrees, 11-15 points): The target is staggered and bruised; the character can take only a single standard or move action each round, not both. If staggered again, the character suffers the fourth degree of effect.
Failure (four degrees, 16+): The character is unconscious or incapacitated.

Lethal damage
Success: The damage has no effect.
Failure (one degree, 1-5 points): The target is injured, suffering a -1 penalty to further saves against lethal damage.
Failure (two degrees, 6-10 points): The target is dazed and injured; the character can take no actions, but retains full defenses.
Failure (three degrees, 11-15 points): The target is staggered, stunned and injured; the character can take only a single standard or move action each round, not both, and is considered vulnerable (half defenses). If staggered again, the character is unconscious and dying.
Failure (four degrees, 16+): The character is dead or destroyed.

What do y'all think?

[FuzzyBoots]

With the stipulation that they still need to make a Concentration check when "dazed", I have no particular issue with it.

[Claire Redfield]

Ah, sure, that would be fine. Other than that, you think it looks good?

[kenseido]

Are you combining them, i.e. Failing lethal attack by 2 would result in one Injured AND one Bruised?

[Claire Redfield]

No. I'd still keep the distinction between the lethal and non-lethal charts, and in this version the lethal damage doesn't also incur bruises, like in 3E.

[kenseido]

Well that would be the only thing I disagree with. If you're still making them pass Concentration checks to maintain a Sustained power when Dazed, everything else looks fine.

I see both sides of the Dazed vs Stunned argument. 2E Dazed is definitely better than 3E Dazed, which becomes meaningless of they are already Staggered. I just think there should be some kind of penalty to Defense as well. Maybe not full Flat-footed and -2, but something.

[Claire Redfield]

Yeah, the Concentration checks when dazed are a good idea. I think for the lethal chart, I should make it so that failing by 16+ doesn't mean instant death by default (such as playing in a standard comic book universe, which is less lethal), but instead puts you at unconscious + dying or something.

So you think injuries should come with bruises, hm?

[FuzzyBoots]

So you think injuries should come with bruises, hm?

Chiefly, to me, it provides a way to work against regenerators, as it takes two rounds to generate both conditions.

As regards Dazed and defense loss, you could readily do a -2 rather than making it proportional to one's defense level and/or loss of Dodge Focus. I supposed that a person can still become flatfooted through use of a feint and/or surprise at the beginning of combat.

[kenseido]

Yeah, I think Injured should come with Bruised and Disabled shoudl come with Staggered, just like I think each level should be cumulative, i.e. fail by 11 and you are bruised, dazed, and staggered.

[FuzzyBoots]

Yeah, I think Injured should come with Bruised and Disabled shoudl come with Staggered, just like I think each level should be cumulative, i.e. fail by 11 and you are bruised, dazed, and staggered.

You know, I go back and forth on the latter. I sometimes feel like the "instant unconsciousness" fits in nicely with the comics/films where a sharp blow to someone's head or neck usually results in them going unconscious with no real side effects upon waking, but regeneration in one round from unconsciousness is 1 pp, which is a little vexing sometimes.

[kenseido]

Yeah, I ban Regen from unconsciousness.