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Re: Jab's Builds: Amazo, Annihilator, Tala, Devil Ray, Brainiac

Postby saint_matthew » Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:17 am

Jabroniville wrote:And holy crap- that's it for my DC Animated Universe builds!


*hugs jabroniville*

Much appreciated... Now i can run a JLU game... I don't really want to, but if i did want to i could :lol:

Jabroniville wrote:Also: OHMYGOD OHMYGOD OHMYGOD, you know who this team REALLY needs? SONGBIRD. It just came to me- not only is she the cutest character in the entire Marvel Universe (you may refute this if you wish, but it means that you are wrong and that we may never be friends. And also that you deserve to die), but she offers a ton of powers not seen in the show's team (Dazzles/Create Object), AND adds another girl to a Sausage Party of a team- anyone else is largely redundant (fighters & Stealthy people better than Widow, Flying Bricks better than Danvers, Green Powerhouses better than She-Hulk) or too hard to fit in (Scarlet Witch adds a TON of backstory and X-related stuff they may not want to get into- also her powers are retardedly tough to do). She's be a huge breath of fresh air to the team.


I'm going to have to disagree... Not on the songbird being cute thing, she is, but i'd state a preference for Ms Martian (she's a psychic shapeshifter... She can literally be your dream girl). I'm disagreeing on putting Songbird in the show, because i kind of want them to do a Thunderbolts cartoon serialised series. Have the characters as villains in individual episodes of Avengers & then put them together as heroes in there own spin off cartoon.

:arrow: EDIT: I didn't know you did a Silverclaw build... Wow, you sir have great taste: I loved that era of Avengers.
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Re: Jab's Builds: Amazo, Annihilator, Tala, Devil Ray, Brainiac

Postby Jabroniville » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:21 pm

Okay, so here's a list I made up of all the creators of the various characters used in the DC Animated Universe. There's some interesting stuff:

Gardner Fox:
Red Tornado (w/ Dick Dillin)
Evil Star (w/ Gil Kane)
The Atom II
Hawkgirl (w/ Joe Kubert)
Shadow Thief
Blockbuster (w/ Carmine Infantino)
Batgirl
Hawkman (w/ Dennis Neville)
The Key (w/ Mike Sekowsky)
Despero
Zatanna (w/ Murphy Anderson)
Amazo
Dr. Fate (w/ Howard Sherman)
Flash I (Jay Garrick) (w/ Harry Lampert)
Sandman I (w/ Burt Christman)
* Well, I see SOMEONE has been a formative influence on early DC stuff, not to mention a handful of Silver Agers (Atom, Tornado, Batgirl, Amazo). This dude's pretty much spoken of as a creator in a class with very few peers- Lee & Kirby are above him, but few others are.

Carmine Infantino:
Blockbuster
Batgirl
The Flash II & III
Heatwave
Mirror Master
The Elongated Man
Captain Cold
Gorilla Grodd
Captain Boomerang
The Trickster
Weather Wizard
Black Canary
Deadman
* Alongside Gardner, he created a ton of guys. Even more Flash villains, too.

Gil Kane:
Evil Star
The Atom II
Goldface
Hal Jordan
Star Sapphire
Dr. Polaris
Sinestro
*A big-time Green Lantern artist, as you can see here. Funny how most of these big-name super-heroes live off of their early villains almost exclusively to a point. This is even more pronounced in DC than at Marvel.

Robert Kanigher:
Black Canary (w/ Carmine Infantino)
Angle Man (w/ H.G. Peter)
Rick Flag (w/ Ross Andru)
Tala (w/ Neal Adams)
Poison Ivy (w/ Sheldon Madoff)
Flash II (Barry Allen) (w/ Broome & Infantino)

Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster:
Lois Lane
Superman
Ultra-Humanite
Lex Luthor
* Yeah, I think creating an entire genre makes up for a mere FOUR big-time characters.

Jerry Siegel:
Stripesy/S.T.R.I.P.E. (w/ Hal Sherman)

Otto Binder
Supergirl (w/ Curt Swan)
Bizarro (w/ George Papp)
Brainiac (w/ Al Plastino)
* This guy's a big-name Silver Age-ish Superman guy.

Marv Wolfman:
Dr. Light II (w/ George Perez)
Starfire
Cyborg
Raven
Robin II (w/ Pat Broderick)
* The fabled Teen Titans mastermind has a pretty small list of created characters, but being the formative influence of the modern-day Dick Grayson, and the star writer of DC's biggest-selling series of the 1980s counts for a lot. People STILL talk about this dude's run.

Bill Finger:
Batman (w/ Bob Kane)
Wildcat (w/ Irwin Hasen)
The Riddler (w/ Dick Sprang)
Green Lantern I (w/ Martin Nodell)
* Heh heh... FINGER. Dude's also super-famous amongst comics creators for being one of the first guys to have a creation stolen from him- he's as big a name on Batman as Bob Kane. So he's ridiculously-important to comic book history. Also co-invented the guy who invented "Create Object" as a super-hero power.

Bob Kane:
Clayface
Mr. Freeze (w/ David Wood & Sheldon Madoff)
Batman (w/ Bill Finger)
Commissioner Gordon
Harvey Bullock
The Penguin
Catwoman
The Scarecrow
Clayface II & III
Two-Face
The Mad Hatter
Alfred Pennyworth (w/ Finger & Jerry Robinson)
The Joker
Robin/Nightwing
Deadshot (w/ David Vern Reed & Lew Schwartz)
* Kane is a noted asshole and credit-hog, so your mileage may vary on how much of the creation for these guys is his responsibility. Bill Finger in particular is credited with MOST of the work on Batman, and others have tried to pop in with credit as well.

One-Shot Golden Age Creators:
John Wentworth: Johnny Thunder (w/ Stan Aschmeier)
Ben Flinton: The Atom I (w/ Bill O'Connor)
Charles Reizenstein: Dr. Mid-Nite I (w/ Stanley Josephs Aschmeier)
E.E. Hibbard: The Shade
Jack Burnley: Starman I (w/ Whit Ellsworth, Murray Boltinoff, Jack Schiff, Mort Weisinger & Bernie Breslauer)
Alfred Bester: Vandal Savage (w/ Martin Nodell)
Creig Flessel: Shining Knight
Jim Chambers: Crimson Avenger
Alfred Bester:
Solomon Grundy (w/ Paul Reinman)

John Broome:
The Flash (w/ Carmine Infantino)
Heatwave
Mirror Master
The Elongated Man
Captain Cold
Gorilla Grodd
Captain Boomerang
The Trickster
Weather Wizard
Hal Jordan (w/ Gil Kane)
Star Sapphire
Dr. Polaris
Sinestro
* Yeah... here's what we'd call a huge Silver Age name. Odd, because I'd never heard of him until doing these builds. But then again, I'm a Marvel Zombie originally.

Len Wein:
Mongul (w/ Jim Starlin)
John Albano:
Jonah Hex (w/ Tony DeZuniga)
Don Cameron:
Toyman (w/ Ed Dobrotka)

Jack Kirby:
Darkseid
Orion
The Female Furies
Mr. Miracle
Big Barda
Granny Goodness
Kalibak
* Say what you will about the New Gods and their fashion sense and goofy names, but many of these guys have gone on to become bigger names. Kirby's as good an idea man as their ever was, in any genre.

C.C. Beck:
Captain Marvel (w/ Bill Parker)

Bob Haney:
Copperhead (w/ Bob Brown)
Metamorpho (w/ Ramona Fradon)
B'wana Beast (w/ Mike Sekowsky)
Devil Ray (w/ Nick Cardy)
* Mid-level Silver Age guy.

Louise Simonson:
Steel (w/ Jon Bogdanove)
* Huh, the chick who ruined New Mutants (but helped make the X-Men Line what it was) co-created a DC character.

Mort Weisinger:
Vigilante (w/ Mort Meskin)
Aquaman (w/ Paul Norris)
Green Arrow (w/ George Papp)

Dwayne McDuffie:
Static (w/ Jon Paul Leon)

Dan Jurgens:
Booster Gold
Doomsday

Cary Bates:
Captain Atom (w/ Pat Broderick)
General Wade Eiling

Keith Giffen:
Ice (w/ J.M. DeMatteis & Kevin Maguire)

E. Nelson Bridewell:
Fire (w/ Ramona Fradon)

Steve Ditko:
The Question
The Creeper
Hawk & Dove (w/ Steve Skeates)
* A solid batch of bottom-tier DC heroes.

Joe Cavalieri:
Huntress (w/ Joe Staton)

Arnold Drake:
Deadman (w/ Carmine Infantino)

Geoff Johns:
Stargirl (w/ Lee Moder)

Dennis O'Neil:
John Stewart (w/ Neal Adams)
Ra's al-Ghul & Ubu
Talia (w/ Bob Brown)

Robert Bernstein:
Metallo (w/ Al Plastino)

Roy Thomas:
Atom Smasher (w/ Jerry Ordway)
Infinity, Inc.
* Don't let his minor creations list fool you- Thomas is the guy solely responsible for most of DC's Golden Age stuff still being around. AND most of Marvel's Golden Age stuff. And he created Ultron & The Vision over at Marvel, as well as being probably the most important Avengers writer. The man is secondary only to Lee/Kirby in my mind for being a formative Silver Age creator.

Gerry Conway:
Vixen (w/ Bob Oksner)
Vibe (w/ Chuck Patton)
Gypsy
Steel II
Fastball
Crowbar
Shatterfist
Black Mass
Killer Frost (w/ Al Milgrom)
Firestorm
Plastique (w/ Pat Broderick)
Atomic Skull (w/ Curt Swan)
Killer Croc (w/ Gene Colan)
* Funny how Conway, a LEGEND in the business (hint: he killed Gwen Stacy AND created The Punisher) has a run with such doofy, unpopular characters like most of these. Some of them have fans, but most of them are jobbers. I wonder what happened to Conway in the '80s, after changing so much of comics during the '70s?.

Roger Slifer:
Lobo (w/ Keith Giffen)
* A fabled writer of "Jem & The Holograms", Slifer is also responsible for the creation of every dumb kid's favourite super-hero.

John Ostrander:
Amanda Waller (w/ Len Wein & John Byrne)
Parasite (w/ Joe Brozowki)
* The great "Suicide Squad" scribe only made up these two, but the former is a great DC character.

Steve Englehart:
Rocket Red (w/ Joe Staton)
Rupert Thorne (w/ Walt Simonson)
* The fabled writer of many Marvel stories (and HUGE, HUGE fan of Mantis, Moondragon, and above all, himself) only did two minor DC characters that I can see, but most of his stuff was from other peoples' creations.

Joseph Samachson:
J'onn J'onnz (Joe Certa)
* He only created this one guy? Weird.

William Moulton Marston & Harry G. Peter):
Cheetah
Wonder Woman
Giganta
* The guy must've gotten out of comics pretty early after making his bones as a fetishist (seriously, READ some of the stuff this guy wrote!), because only WW ever got his business. Aaaannnnd yeah, he died in 1947, so no wonder. Funny stuff- he not only advocated bondage as a psychological benefitter (not just in his comics, either), but he was in a long-standing polyamorous relationship with two women, and he was a noted feminist. Because in the 1940s, Fanservice WAS feminism, believe it or not.

Alan Grant:
The Ventriloquist (w/ John Wagner & Norm Breyfogle)

John Byrne:
Rampage
Silver Banshee
* Despite Byrne getting the all-star gig of resurrecting Superman for a new era, his only real additions to the mythos as far as characters went were these two. Not AWFUL characters by any means, but very minor.

Frank Robbins:
Man-Bat (w/ Neal Adams)
* Musta had some power in the "Seventies Batman" era.

Mike Grell:
Warlord
* Grell pretty much did all of "Warlord" for DC, and is very responsible for a lot of Green Arrow's success.

Warren Ellis:
The Dark Heart

Chuck Dixon:
Bane (w/ Doug Moench, Graham Nolan)
* The guy who helped make Birds of Prey what they are only has one major addition to the DCU as far as original characters go.

France Herron:
Clock King (w/ Lee Elias)
Firefly (w/ Dick Sprang)
* A Batman writer in the '50s, he only added two minor-league, forgettable guys.

JLU Crew:
Batman Beyond
Galatea
Luminus
Livewire
Volcana
Blight
The Royal Flush Gang
The Future Justice League
Mercy Graves
Harley Quinn
Hro Talak & Thanagarians
The Ultimen
The Annihilator
Renee Montoya
Calendar Girl
Simon Trent
Summer Gleeson
Spellbinder
Inque
The Red Claw
Baby-Doll
Romulus
Kyodai Ken
The Phantasm
H.A.R.D.A.C.
* The giant amount of staff writers, directors & crew in the "DCAU" are responsible for a TON of great characters. Most of them are rather minor, especially some of Superman's one-shot foes or a couple Batman supporters, but Terry McGinnis, Hro Talak, Harley Quinn & The Phantasm are amazing, well-rounded characters. Many others are bad-ass as well.

It's interesting to note that the vast majority of DC's famous characters were written by a disparate group of people when compared to Marvel (many creators stuck with only one or two characters and built their universes), which really owes most of it's big names to some combination of Stan Lee, Jack Kirby & Steve Ditko (with Roy Thomas & John Romita as distant seconds). It really puts Stan the Man and The King in greater awe.
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Re: Jab's Builds: Amazo, Annihilator, Tala, Devil Ray, Brainiac

Postby Jabroniville » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:26 pm

A couple reviews of some Trades I just read:

God damn, I just got Warren Ellis & Mike Deodato's run on "The Thunderbolts" (during the post-Civil War, pre-Dark Reign era) and MAN was it awesome. See, the book somehow takes all of the things about Civil War that people thougth was stupid: Tony Stark trusting NORMAN OSBORN of all people to run a super-team with Venom (homicidal monster), Swordsman (son of Super-Nazi Baron Strucker), Bullseye (kills for the sheer fun of it), and Moonstone (who once manipulated several psychiatric patients to suicide just because) on it. Speedball dropping his costume and gaining new powers as Penance while stabbing himself permanently. Villains being hired to beat up and bring down unlicensed super-heroes on the government's dollar, etc. It takes all of these things that are stupid and makes them AWESOME by revelling in it. There is such manipulative insanity and "how on Earth is this being paid for by the government's dollar" that you immediately appreciate how stupid it is by pointing out "YES, THIS IS STUPID AND YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK!"

And Ellis shockingly makes losers like Steel Spider and American Eagle into BAD-ASSES. Spider actually TAKES DOWN Radioactive Man, and frickin' JACK FLAG of all people screws up the entire team. See, Ellis appears to be very much a fan of the "Anyone can beat anyone" style of comic book fights (the bane of all BattleBoards-style fans), and I love it- it makes everyone dangerous, even the jokes.

There's some fantastic lines here, too, and awesome moments:
* Norman Osborn (hopped up on telepathic attacks on his brain, sniffing his old Green Goblin uniform): "Snfffffffff.... ah, I'm glad I never washed this particular costume. Still smells like death, blondes and victory."
* Swordsman (undergoing his own attack, seeing the Green Goblin flying at him): "Mommy" Goblin: "YOU DON'T HAVE A MOTHER! A pig COUGHED and you FELL out!"
* Green Goblin (about Songbird): "Nature's little JOKE-- giving a woman the super-power of not being able to damn well SHUT UP--"
* Steel Spider & Jack Flag separately owning entire teams of Thunderbolts.
* Bullseye saving the day by accident, just because he felt like killing some people after waking up from surgery. After contemplating why he's able to resist psionic attack, he just goes "Or maybe it's because I'm Bullseye and you're just a breathing target".
* Doc Samson being unusually smarmy and awesome, nearly saving Penance's mind by himself. This is almost to the point of over-pushing the character as awesome, as it seems like Ellis is actually in love with the guy :).
* Mike Deodato, a former bad example of back-bending '90s-style Pin-Up art, using his new fantastic skillz at drawing to make Moonstone and SONGBIRD look like the hottest things ever, without even taking all their clothes off. This guy got GOOD, and handing him two of Marvel's elite giga-hotties is just icing on the cake.
* Swordsman kicking VENOM'S ass, then being ripped to pieces by the Goblin.
* Songbird BEATS THE GREEN GOBLIN BY HERSELF. A crowning moment of awesome for Melissa.
* Moonstone ignoring a threat to the entire T-Bolts Mountain because she's playing a game on her cellphone. May or may not be psionic manipulation, and it doesn't matter because it's all in-character.

Freaking awesome, insane stuff.

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"The Captain"
-Okay, I just read through Mark Gruenwald's "The Captain" arc of "Captain America". In it, Steve Rogers gives up the role of Cap after the government figures of "The Commission of Super-Human Activities" basically gives him a "take it or leave it" offer of becoming their personal soldier/errand boy in exchange for getting to keep the role (since they own it, and all). While Rogers becomes a nameless (I don't think anyone even calls him "The Captain", though his allies call him "Cap" still) vigilante in a cool black variant of his outfit, while the indignant Commission (they naturally assumed Steve would fall into line) gives the role to another hero, John Walker. As "The Super-Patriot", Walker was an upstart hero after taking The Power Broker Treatment, and he (along with three buddies, the Bold Urban Commandos, or BUCkies) only did a couple heroic things (usually in the name of self-promotion) before the Commission offered him the position.

-Taking it pretty quickly (Walker was openly critical of Captain America as old-fashioned and out-of-touch, something they've been doing off-and-on in the comics for decades), Walker undergoes a ton of training. His buddy Lemar gets to stay on as "Bucky", then "Battle Star" (when it's revealed by a fan in the letters pages, then a Guardsman in-story, that "Buck" is a racial slur in parts of the South), but the other two Buckies are cut loose due to past criminal ties. The Taskmaster makes John pretty effective, but he's still kind of a screw-up. He brings down a Watchdog group (anti-indecency conservative extremists who John admits are just an extreme version of his OWN beliefs) after some slip-ups easily enough, but he ends up killing another minor-league villain (Anthony Power). Then, when his old pals become Right-Winger & Left-Winger and reveal his identity publically, Walker's parents are shot to death by The Watchdogs right in front of him. Going on a murderous rampage immediately (he shoves the business-end of a rifle THROUGH A GUY'S FACE), Walker is still unstable, and beats the living hell out of a group of mutant Resistants as well.

-Eventually, Walker is fired by an irate Commission (it turns out that Red Skull was behind the whole thing, just to discredit the Captain America name, too- I almost prefer the "Government is a bunch of jerk-offs" angle myself), and Rogers takes the title back after Walker pleads to him that SOMEONE worthy needs to take the name. The Red Skull shows up, debuting the Steve Rogers Clone Body, but Walker turns the tide and gets the Red Dust of Death thrown in SKULL'S face, returning his familiar visage. Not a bad story overall, though there are weird bits. Kieron Dwyer's art looks REALLY poor in parts, mainly when Al "Half-Ass" Milgrom is inking him. Jesus, no WONDER some artists carry their own inkers along with them. I was amused by Cap's Party of Heroes, as Vagabond was a do-nothing, D-Man was a nice-to-a-fault amateur, and Nomad was a giant piece of crap blowhard who sucked. Seriously, he is an OMEGA-level prick here.

-I liked it. Hell, it even debuts half a dozen members of the SERPENT SOCIETY in here, and we get a scene of The Cap Crew demolishing them like the Jobbers that they are!
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Re: Jab's Builds: Amazo, Annihilator, Tala, Devil Ray, Brainiac

Postby Jabroniville » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:29 pm

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JEM AND THE HOLOGRAMS:

(Note: Anyone caught describing these builds with any combination of the words "Truly" or "Outrageous" will be savagely beaten with the Obvious Joke Stick)

Behold, the embodiment of the entire 1980s.

-Well, Ares DID say I should do more cartoon-based builds :). I make no apologies. Special thanks to Kreuzritter, who linked me to these AWESOME character redesigns undertaken by a pretty spiffy artist. Here's his art site (warning: Possible NSFW stuff. I didn't see any nudity, but there might be bewbs somewhere).

-"The Transformers" is the mightiest toy-selling cartoon of all time, and "G.I. Joe" is probably the best overall, but "Jem" will always have my heart. And see, where alot of these shows come from the epitome of animation that was the '80s, very few of them actually LOOK "'80s". Sure, there's Ghetto Blasters (better known as Boom-Boxes these days.... or iPods or something), instances of hair scrunchies and ugly pastel and neon colours everywhere, but none of those shows really EXEMPLIFIED that era. Expect for this one. You want multi-hued punks? Giant mowhawks? Pastel mixed with zebra print mixed with FREAKING NEON? This show had RELENTLESS barrages of '80s music and dress, this show freaking WAS the '80s. And of all the '80s toons, it's the one that's most critically underappreciated (thanks to many of its fans, ie. girls, actually going on to have some sex at an older age) in the modern era. But rest assured, this show was GREAT. There was fighting, attempted murder (The Misfits, in a truly '80s concept as an EVIL music band, literally did things every episode that would be illegal in every country in the world), uber-peppy '80s synth-pop from the Jem gang, awesome (and actually kinda modern) selfish punk-rock anthems from the Misfits, hot chicks (Kimber and Jem were BABES in every sense of the word. Kimber was gorgeous and cute, but Jem was unimaginably hot, almost like a Goddess beholding humanity), overly dramatic outbursts from characters just to get certain plot points across, etc. Everything wonderful exists in this show. It's just over-the-top dated nonsense and crazy plotlines.

-The show was created by Hasbro to sell their new "Jem & the Holograms" line of fashion dolls, in an attempt to mimic both Barbie AND the success of the boys' toy-line cartoons ("He-Man", "G.I. Joe", "Transformers", etc. made money like GANGBUSTERS), and she was originally going to be called "M", and she was the secret identity of a normal music executive (giving girls both the "Rich boss" fantasy life, and the "famous rock star" fantasy life). Once they realized that you couldn't trademark a LETTER, then switched it to "Jem", and figured on a concept of holograms being her gimmick. They got Christy Marx, a well-thought-of writer of boys' cartoons, to work on the entire cast and concept from that point- Marx actually did some research on holographic technology (naming the characters after eminent scientists in the field), and constructed a show that would appeal to girls (romance, adventure, travel, rich people, etc.), while also keeping the boys interested (attractive girls, action & excitement).

-The line-up of characters itself is something. You had your classic Superman/Clark Kent/Lois Lane love triangle going with uber-babe Jem, plain alter-ego Jerrica Benton (one of my favorite TV names ever), and the Lois-inspired dolt Rio Pacheco, the purple-haired guy who almost never saw Jerrica & Jem together (despite Jerrica being Jem's MANAGER), and yet never put two and two together (sure they projected a Jem hologram once in a while, but COME ON, they never even SPOKE to each other). Jerrica was a bit 'everygirl' even though she was rich and owned a record company. Jem was pure fantasy fulfillment for girls; this perfect woman, though she had all kinds of identity problems and was always busy in real life (an oddly realistic bend on the idea, much like say, Spider-Man). Kimber was great as an impetuous foil in the Holograms team, always screwing things up and moving the plot along as only an overacting 18-year old kid can do. Aja, Shana and Raya... were basically just add-ons to make it a group. I mean, Aja didn't even DO anything till the end of the second season.

-But the Misfits... Eric Raymond was the slimiest, dirtiest 80s-era corporate slug of a villain EVER. Pizzazz was a bad girl straight to the bone, almost pure evil and selfish, except when absolutely necessary (such as showing a rare moment of love for her uber-rich father, who basically raised her with his cash when her mother ran off). Her extreme tantrums and levels of violence are still hilarious today, especially when she reacts to guys shooting her down by trying to kick their asses. Roxy was perhaps even worse than Pizzazz because she was BORN into a bad life, but that ended up giving her more sympathy. And Stormer... ah, Stormer. Reluctant blue-haired villainesses with hearts of gold are the best. Most of the funny moments in this show came from Stormer saying one thing that was really sweet and the other Misfits lambasting her. And Jetta, the new Misfit? Well she was just hilarious because angry British punk women are hilarious.

-And compared to some of the '80s shows, this one really holds up in terms of actual episodes quite well ("Transformers", "He-Man" and "Thundercats" are all far dumber in retrospect, while this show was only KIND OF dumb beyond the core concept). Sometimes you don't even have to rely on nostalgia to life the lame plots up. The drug episode (every '80s show had one of THOSE, something I well and truly miss) was one of the most realistic and yet the most insane, in that the girl who takes them just takes a few at first, but then keeps needing more and more, until she's stealing from her friends, just like a real addict... and then she hallucinates like crazy and has a five-alarm freak-out and tries to jump off the roof). And the episode was SO DEPRESSING. She was a recent orphan, she loved music but was too shy and uneasy to share it with anyone, and her VOICE!!!... it was the most sad, lonely sounding thing I've ever heard a voice actress do. She just sounded SO depressed, not reacting to ANYTHING. I actually felt BAD just watching the episode. Listen and be SAD... And HOW THE F*** DID THEY ANIMATE THAT HAIR?!? "Jem" had some SERIOUSLY pretty animation for some of it's videos.

-And the "Father's Day" one is almost unspeakably awesome as well. Circling around some Father's Day special for their friend Video (all the secondary characters are helpfully named after their jobs, like Danse and Video...), we're left with Kimber being mortally depressed because she misses her father (whose funeral was in the first episode of the series), with her sister Jem and the others not getting why. Someone who helps her deal turns out to be PIZZAZZ' own father, who gives us the first glimpse of why Pizzazz is such a skanky bitch (left to raise her alone, he didn't know what to do, and basically just gave her what she wanted to keep her out of his hair while he ran his businesses), while gives us TWO payoffs in the end, as Jem & the Holograms perform, leaving us with Jerrica & Kimber's memories of their beloved dad (they walk with him through the seasons, ending in winter, as they pass by a tree without him at their side suddenly, and they turn to each other for comfort), and Pizzazz and HER dad having a reunion of sorts (She was LESS than impressed that he led the Holograms to the concert-- they were sidetracked of course by the Misfits). This kind of crap you just DON'T GET in modern animation.

-The ending season with the Stingers was OK as well. The typical army brat turned relentlessly charismatic singer boy Riot led the furiously hot Minx (flirty slutty chicks are TOTALLY awesome, especially in '80s toons. See Frosta from She-Ra) plus Rapture (who was more one-note), were a bunch of good add-ons to a show that had an already overflowing cast. But still, everyone got their episodes to shine. Jetta met her family (not a bunch of rich royals as she'd claimed, but the British version of white trash), Shana was mistaken for Jean Lafitte's bride, Aja fell in love with Stormer's nice-guy brother, Danse met her long-lost father in Yugoslavia, Video did stuff, EVERYONE got SOMETHING. And out of all the '80s toons, this is one of the few that actually got a final episode (even He-Man really only got one that was MEANT as a finale, though it wasn't aired last): with Ba Nee, the Vietnamese orphan, FINALLY meeting her long-lost father, a 'Nam vet with no memory, in a payoff from an episode in the FIRST SEASON, giving us a happy sendoff with the main character wishing us well. I'd kill to get the rest of this on DVD, and I'd also love to see a non-bastardized new version of it coming out, though they'd probably screw it up like so many other '80s shows I loved so very much- this one is PARTICULARLY set in it's era.

A pretty good Cast List is featured here.
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Re: Jab's Builds: Amazo, Annihilator, Tala, Devil Ray, Brainiac

Postby Arkrite » Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:06 am

Jabroniville wrote:(Note: Anyone caught describing these builds with any combination of the words "Truly" or "Outrageous" will be savagely beaten with the Obvious Joke Stick)


It's like he knew I was coming... ;~)
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Re: Jab's Builds: JLU Builds Done!, Devil Ray, Brainiac

Postby saint_matthew » Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:44 pm

*holds up microphone*

So Jabroniville, you've stated up ever character ever, what are you going to do next? :wink:
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Re: Jab's Builds: JLU Builds Done!, Devil Ray, Brainiac

Postby Kreuzritter » Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:33 pm

This is but a mere sampling of the insanity to expect
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Re: Jab's Builds: JLU Builds Done!, Devil Ray, Brainiac

Postby saint_matthew » Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:30 pm

Kreuzritter wrote:This is but a mere sampling of the insanity to expect


*shudders*

I have seen such horrors :shock:
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Re: Jab's Builds: JLU Builds Done!, Devil Ray, Brainiac

Postby Jabroniville » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:35 am

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JEM (Jerrica Benton)
Created By:
Christy Marx
Role: The Main Character, Daddy Warbucks-Type Spender
Voice Actor: Samantha Newark, Britta Phillips (singing)
PL 8 (105)
STRENGTH
0 STAMINA 1 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 2 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 4 AWARENESS 4 PRESENCE 4

Skills:
Acrobatics 3 (+6)
Athletics 4 (+4)
Deception 2 (+6, +11 Jem)
Expertise (Business) 7 (+11)
Expertise (Rock Star- Singer) 12 (+16)
Expertise (Acting) 4 (+8)
Insight 4 (+8)
Perception 2 (+6)
Persuasion 2 (+6, +11 Attractive)
Stealth 2 (+5)

Advantages:
Beginner's Luck, Benefit 2 (Wealth), Fascination (Rock Star), Inspire 2, Leadership, Ranged Attack 2, Ultimate Rock Star Skill

Powers:
"The Jem Star Earrings" (Flaws: Easily Removable) [26]
Illusion 8 (Sight & Hearing) (Extras: Continuous, Independent) (40)
Enhanced Advantages 2: Attractive 2 (2)
(42 points)

Offense:
Unarmed +2 (+0 Damage, DC 15)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +3 (DC 13), Parry +2 (DC 12), Toughness +1, Fortitude +2, Will +8

Complications:
Secret (Identity)- Jerrica must remain hidden as Jem. There was no reason for this at first, but now that Rio loves both women, she must remain hidden to avoid embarassing and infuriating him.
Enemy (The Misfits, Eric Raymond)- Raymond gained a controlling interest in Jerrica's father's company before he died, and he never forgave Jerrica & Jem for ruining his chances to make millions there. He and his goon squad, The Misfits, are obsessed with destroying Jem & The Holograms and Jerrica alike. The Misfits, Pizzazz in particular, are devoted rivals in the music business, and will counter-act every Holograms act with a copycat motion.
Rivalry (The Stingers)- When Riot and the Stingers arrive in town, there's yet ANOTHER rival band on the docket.
Responsibility (Starlight House & Starlight Music)- Jerrica inherited her father's businesses, including an home for orphaned girls, and a music business. So much of her money is wrapped up in the House and other charities that the companies are almost worthless, monetarily.
Relationship (Rio Pacheco)- Jerrica & Rio have been together since they were children. However, Rio is also increasingly-obsessed with the mysterious Jem.
Honor (Will help out enemies in trouble)
Fame- Jem is ridiculously famous, and will get mobbed whenever she goes out in public.
Relationship (The Holograms)- Jerrica/Jem is a devoted musician, and loves her bandmates like sisters.

Total: Abilities: 36 / Skills: 42--21 / Advantages: 10 / Powers: 26 / Defenses: 12 (105)

-And here's Jem, our Daddy Warbucks-like mother-figure to a ton of orphans, and paramour two times over for poor Rio Pacheco. She's also the object of Riot's affections, as well as being a figure of international fame, and a target for the jealous & greedy Eric Raymond and his clients, The Misfits. Jem's your typical heroine in that she's rather dull and super-moral about everything, but altogether she's not a bad female lead.

-For her stats, I used common sense based off of the 65 episodes I've seen of the series. She's physically weak, but quite tough CON-wise (she's survived some VERY dangerous situations; boat crashes, animal attacks, etc.), very dextrous, and her mental stats... well. He's the competent owner and operator of Starlight Music, a girls' orphanage, and a manager in several bands' careers, in ADDITION to being about the most famous single singer in the ENTIRE WORLD, and the master moral-speaker for the gaggle of orphans (and a certain younger sister) under her charge. It should be noted she downplays her Charisma a bit in her Jerrica identity (or rather, she only lets it out when she's playing the rock star Jem), but she's still got ungodly scores in most Charisma-based checks (she's regularly and repeatedly had to talk down angry mobs thanks to the Misfits' latest schemes).

-Skills are self-explanatory. Pretty much the most popular singer alive, so her Expertise is nuts when combined with her Presence. High Expertise Skill, Deception (oh, MAN has she had to use that), etc. Her Inspire Feat is so high because she's had to convince a LOT of people they didn't suck, and drawn the best performances possible out of every bandmate at LEAST once. Other Feats are just boosts for her skills mostly, with a lot of 80s-esque happy fun moral Feats as well (Teamwork, etc.).

-The Jem Star Earrings are pretty expensive for something that's only really good at fooling people. Thankfully, the people in the Jem universe are REALLY DUMB (shown in most of my later stats), so they can be fooled by things like a torrential downpour that couldn't actually GET THEM WET and assume Jem & Jerrica are different people despite only being seen together like twice, even by the boyfriend of both girls. She can make some BIG illusions (giant eagles, flash floods, etc.), but those are quite rare. It's usually just Synergy the Computer Lady doing everything

-Now, despite coming to over 100 points, Jem's pretty useless in a fight unless she's JUST being a distraction, as most of her skills are life-based in the real world and not for combat. Not to say she hasn't seen a LOT of danger, because she has, but I don't think I've ever seen more violence out of her than a sharp kick to the shins.

-Her Complications were fun. Pretty much every episode of that show was devoted to SOME kind of charity for the orphans she took care of, she also had to run the business, keep Rio from finding out BOTH of his main squeezes were the same person and thus losing him, keep the Misfits from KILLING her, compete with the Stingers and avoid Riot's attention, honor her father, keep her identity secret, all the while being a fair and compassionate person to her enemies. So it's no wonder she always won. Chick can activate like six Complications at once.

Note: The "Jem" identity is completely illusory. She differs from Jerrica enough that even close friends (ahem, Rio Lane... I mean Pacheco) have NO IDEA they're the same person, and dresses a whole lot fancier than Jerrica (who was relatively plain for the 80s, merely devoting herself to garish pastels and giant bows). Also note that because of the Illusion power, Jem has an Attractive Feat of at LEAST 1, and I went with two ranks (she's made like three or four men fall in love with her just by LOOKING at her, without even trying).
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Re: Jab's Builds: JLU Builds Done!, Devil Ray, Brainiac

Postby Jabroniville » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:46 am

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AJA LEITH
Created By:
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Role: The Driver, The Angry One
Voice Actor: Cathianne Blore
PL 5 (67)
STRENGTH
1 STAMINA 2 AGILITY 4
FIGHTING 3 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 2 AWARENESS 2 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Acrobatics 5 (+7)
Athletics 6 (+7)
Deception 3 (+6)
Expertise (Rock Star- Guitars) 10 (+13)
Intimidation 1 (+4)
Investigation 3 (+5)
Perception 3 (+5)
Persuasion 1 (+4)
Stealth 1 (+5)
Vehicles 7 (+7)

Advantages:
Benefit 1 (Wealth), Improved Defense, Improved Trip, Inspire, Ranged Attack 2, Teamwork

Offense:
Unarmed +3 (+1 Damage, DC 16)
Initiative +4

Defenses:
Dodge +4 (DC 14), Parry +4 (DC 14), Toughness +2, Fortitude +3, Will +6

Complications:
Secret (Jem's Identity)- The other Holograms must help keep Jem's secret.
Enemy (The Misfits, Eric Raymond)- What goes for Jem, goes for the Holograms.
Rivalry (The Stingers)- When Riot and the Stingers arrive in town, there's yet ANOTHER rival band on the docket.
Responsibility (Starlight House & Starlight Music)- All of the Holograms are as committed as Jerrica to the Starlight Girls.
Relationship (Craig Phillips)- Aja is in love with Craig, who is actually the brother of Stormer, one of The Misfits! Craig is bolder and more confident than his sister, though.
Fame- Aja is pretty famous, and will get mobbed whenever she goes out in public.
Relationship (The Holograms)- Aja grew up with Jerrica and the others, and does not like being apart from them.

Total: Abilities: 34 / Skills: 40--20 / Advantages: 7 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 6 (67)

-Aja is possibly the blandest of the original Holograms, personality-wise. While Jem was the Main Character and generally flawless, Kimber was impulsive and (let's face it) stupid, and Shana was shy and underconfident, Aja was "The Lancer" of sorts, being a more angry, sarcastic individual who would take people to task for their screw-ups and actually yell at and/or threaten The Misfits. However, since she was also a GOOD GUY, and a member of the Moral Guardian Holograms, she was reined in quite a lot, and it took any potential "edge" off of her. They could have really gone somewhere by making her kind of Misfit-like in personality. As it stood, she ended up in the background more often, and had fewer "focus" episodes than the others. Even episodes in which she was shown with recurring boyfriend Craig "brother of Stormer" Phillips did not feature her as the main plotline- they were always a subplot to the main deal (Royal English lineages, searching for Bahnee's father, etc.).

-Physically, Aja is the most impressive Hologram, with the highest Strength & Toughness, though she's still weaker than your average Mook. Her physicality was played up a bit, as she was the "drill instructor" when the Holograms were excercising. She's also the group's main Driver.

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SHANA ELMSFORD
Created By:
Christy Marx
Role: The Shy One
Voice Actor: Cindy McGee
PL 4 (56)
STRENGTH
0 STAMINA 1 AGILITY 3
FIGHTING 0 DEXTERITY 0
INTELLIGENCE 3 AWARENESS 3 PRESENCE 3

Skills:
Acrobatics 3 (+6)
Athletics 4 (+4)
Deception 2 (+5)
Expertise (Rock Star- Guitars & Drums) 10 (+13)
Expertise (Fashion Designer) 8 (+11)
Investigation 3 (+6)
Perception 3 (+6)
Stealth 1 (+4)
Vehicles 2 (+2)

Advantages:
Benefit 1 (Wealth), Improved Defense, Inspire 2, Ranged Attack 1, Teamwork

Offense:
Unarmed +0 (+0 Damage, DC 15)
Initiative +3

Defenses:
Dodge +3 (DC 13), Parry +2 (DC 12), Toughness +1, Fortitude +2, Will +6

Complications:
Secret (Jem's Identity)- The other Holograms must help keep Jem's secret.
Responsibility (Timid)- Shana is very non-confrontational and shy. She doesn't like approaching others, and usually has to be goaded into doing it.
Enemy (The Misfits, Eric Raymond)- What goes for Jem, goes for the Holograms.
Rivalry (The Stingers)- When Riot and the Stingers arrive in town, there's yet ANOTHER rival band on the docket.
Responsibility (Starlight House & Starlight Music)- All of the Holograms are as committed as Jerrica to the Starlight Girls.
Relationship (Anthony Julian)- No sooner does a male black supporting character show up, than the Holograms basically throw Shana at him. They're exclusive to each other, but he only exists to give her advice about her relatioships with her career or the Holograms.
Fame- Shana is pretty famous, and will get mobbed whenever she goes out in public.
Relationship (The Holograms)- Shana grew up with Jerrica and the others, and does not like being apart from them.

Total: Abilities: 26 / Skills: 36--18 / Advantages: 6 / Powers: 0 / Defenses: 6 (56)

-Shana has by far the worst design out of all the recurring characters on the show- her pyramid of pastel violet hair was ridiculous, and her ORANGE eyeshadow just makes her look strange. If any member of the cast should have gone through another design phase, it was Shana.

-Shana is the sweetest and shiest of the Holograms, which led to her being a bit of a wallflower and non-confrontational in nature. Actually, she's a rather unique character in animation, being so shy and timid, ESPECIALLY when you consider that she's the black girl of the team, and seemingly would have to be the "Sassy Black Woman" stereotype, given what we see in animation these days.. When you think about it, most cartoon characters are all ACTION and flying off the handle, so it's unusual to see someone who authentically cries when she thinks someone's being mean to her, rather than the anime-style "Fountain of Tears" effect or comical-shyness. Even when she was a teenager (and the proto-Holograms were all orphans, save Jerrica & Kimber), she had to be coaxed into opening up by Jerrica and the other girls.

-The writers worked a bit to give her more to do, as she became the group's Fashion Designer (a role partially-given to Regine DeCesare later on), and switched off the Drums for a Guitar once the group got a new member. That episode set was kind of funny, since Shana offered to go to this fancy dream-job in fashion, and the Holograms were happy for her, even suggesting they'll have a talent search to temporarily replace her. Cue the tears, and "You mean you... you WANT me to go?" Thankfully, she recovered from that silliness pretty quickly, though the job turned out to be pretty sucky (her boss was a bitch), and she was back with her bandmates before long.
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Re: Jab's Builds: JLU Builds Done!!, Jem & The Holgrams

Postby Vexous » Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:46 am

Seems I'm late to the party once again.......but who cares? Really good to see the JLU written up! Excellent job. That wasn't a good series. It was THE finest cartoon ever produced. I often find myself measuring any of the new stuff by that show's standards, somehow they just don't live up.

You should probably write up JLU Darkseid though, can't really have a finale without him. Or just consider your JLU builds not done and do a whole New Gods section. Either works. Just say'n....
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Re: Jab's Builds: JLU Builds Done!!, Jem & The Holgrams

Postby Emerald Flame » Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:31 am

WOW!! Jem and the Holograms?? That is a blast from the past. I remember seeing the show on Sunday mornings. It was part of the "Adventure Hour" (If I remember correctly). Jem was 30 minutes and then Robotics was the other 30.

Here is another memory grenade.....

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Re: Jab's Builds: JLU Builds Done!!, Jem & The Holgrams

Postby BS Digital Q » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:29 am

Vexous wrote:You should probably write up JLU Darkseid though, can't really have a finale without him. Or just consider your JLU builds not done and do a whole New Gods section. Either works. Just say'n....
He already did Darkseid, a few pages back.
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Re: Jab's Builds: JLU Builds Done!!, Jem & The Holgrams

Postby Devastation Bob » Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:23 am

Jem and the Holograms....excuse me, I have something in my eye....

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Re: Jab's Builds: JLU Builds Done!!, Jem & The Holgrams

Postby Kreuzritter » Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:37 am

i did second ed stats for him over in my thread
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