Mutants & Masterminds
HQ    ABOUT M&M    SUPER-VISION    GIMMICK'S GADGETS    M&M SUPERLINK    ATOMIC THINK TANK    M&M SHOP
Saving the world, one d20 roll at a time

Perception ranged attacks+Communication link

This is the catch-all forum, for Mutants & Masterminds threads that you're not quite sure where to put.

Moderators: The Mod Squad, The Justice League, M&M Line Developer

Perception ranged attacks+Communication link

Postby ZeroGrim » Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:54 pm

I've been making a few hero's and villian's from anime recently and after stumbling through making random powers I ended up with a character with a perception range attack who also has a visual communication link with another character.

as a Gm would people allow this?
and
Has anyone every played a character that can do this?

(if I do finishes this set they will be villains so I think its alright for them to use a trick lick this)
ZeroGrim
Bystander
Bystander
 
Posts: 42
Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:26 pm

Re: Perception ranged attacks+Communication link

Postby Murkglow » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:30 am

Perhaps you could explain what the "trick" here is? I'm not seeing how these powers interact in a significant way.
User avatar
Murkglow
Paragon
Paragon
 
Posts: 3090
Joined: Wed May 19, 2010 12:02 am

Re: Perception ranged attacks+Communication link

Postby Rabbitman » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:38 am

So you're concern is that through the visual link you can extend your perception range to the perception around the person you're linked with for attack purposes?

Assuming the durations and actions allow both to happen at the same time (which I think they do by default, but I'm no expert) I don't see any reason this use of those powers shouldn't be allowed, it actually encourages tactical use of powers in M&M which is something that I, as GM, always hope for from any of my players.

Of course, if it somehow becomes possible (for PCs shouldn't be, for villains, more likely) that the perception range attacker can sit in a fortified and hidden location completely out of harm's way, mind-linking with a combat Brick and blasting away freely without fear of retribution against either of them, then I'd be calling the situation broken rather than the powers themselves. (And even then, it isn't a completely impossible situation, just a challenge if you spin it the right way!)
Nothing is Everything
User avatar
Rabbitman
Henchman
Henchman
 
Posts: 212
Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:10 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Perception ranged attacks+Communication link

Postby Murkglow » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:45 am

Rabbitman wrote:So you're concern is that through the visual link you can extend your perception range to the perception around the person you're linked with for attack purposes?


Uh and how would Communication Link allow one character to see through the others eyes? It allows you to talk to the other person, not share senses. When it tells you to pick a sense type, its for purposes of how the power works (Mental would be telepathy limited to that person, Radio would be a radio signal beamed solely to them, ect...) not "which sense you share" or some such.

Sharing Senses is a part of Mind Reading (the Sensory Link extra) not the Communication Link power. Of course that wouldn't really work all that well for this "trick" since Mind Reading is also perception based. The real power used for this build, commonly known as "The Bathroom Mentalist", is Remote Senses. And generally speaking, no it's not really an encouraged power combo.
User avatar
Murkglow
Paragon
Paragon
 
Posts: 3090
Joined: Wed May 19, 2010 12:02 am

Re: Perception ranged attacks+Communication link

Postby ZeroGrim » Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:34 am

The technique this particular villain has is the ability to share sight between all member's of a small group (This is Pain from the Naruto series for reference) while he doesn't have any perception ranged attacks himself it was simply a thought experiment.

the main trick that they use is its impossible to catch any of them off guard if at least one of them sees the attack coming, in the same way you cant hide from some and not others, I think the way to make the power work closest to the their ability wouldn't be communication link but something like:

Remote sensing X (visual) Medium (other people with this power)
ZeroGrim
Bystander
Bystander
 
Posts: 42
Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:26 pm

Re: Perception ranged attacks+Communication link

Postby Rabbitman » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:32 am

I was just trying to clarify what the possible concern was, I wasn't getting into details about the Communication Link itself, but aside from the power needing to be built correctly (as noted in the previous two posts) I don't see any possible trick that could be considered remotely munchkin-like.
Nothing is Everything
User avatar
Rabbitman
Henchman
Henchman
 
Posts: 212
Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:10 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia


Return to General M&M

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests