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Postby Cyclone » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:04 pm

Gotta say, I love all these entries. I especially like Doc Otaku and the Angel Androids, though I'd probably run Doc Otaku as a straight spoiled brat he appears to be (serving as an interesting contrast to, say, the psychopathic Ako). I do have one little quibble, though, from Lady Liberty III's entry.

Charles Phipps wrote:(...) Beth was a noted pain in the ass for (...) gun manufacturers. (...)


Gun manufacturers? For... what, exactly? Wouldn't it be the gun dealers who keep forgetting little legal requirements like background checks and waiting periods that ought to be targeted?

EDIT: Oh, and I'd love to see someone's take on Mastermind...
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Postby Charles Phipps » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:08 pm

Cyclone wrote:Gun manufacturers? For... what, exactly? Wouldn't it be the gun dealers who keep forgetting little legal requirements like background checks and waiting periods that ought to be targeted?


My idea is that Beth is probably one of those lawyers who thinks of suing the corporations that produce weapons as more viable for hurting the industry than actually handling street crime. She's a wonderful girl really but her sense of reality is occasionally a little skewed.

Certainly, were she to give up law, she'd probably lobby for tougher gun registration. Ironically, she'd probably get challenged on it by some who look to any registration as a betrayer of her idiom.
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Postby Cyclone » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:11 pm

Charles Phipps wrote:My idea is that Beth is probably one of those lawyers who thinks of suing the corporations that produce weapons as more viable for hurting the industry than actually handling street crime. She's a wonderful girl really but her sense of reality is occasionally a little skewed.

Certainly, were she to give up law, she'd probably lobby for tougher gun registration. Ironically, she'd probably get challenged on it by some who look to any registration as a betrayer of her idiom.


Ahh, I see. I suppose, then, that she hasn't paid attention to little details like what is done with the money from those settlements?

*remembers how seven states took the money from the last big tobacco civil case and turned right around to invest back into the tobacco industry*
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Postby Charles Phipps » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:16 pm

Cyclone wrote:Ahh, I see. I suppose, then, that she hasn't paid attention to little details like what is done with the money from those settlements?

*remembers how seven states took the money from the last big tobacco civil case and turned right around to invest back into the tobacco industry*


The way I write Beth is, she's a whirlwind force of nature but she could honestly do with a healthy dose of cynicism. I imagine that her husband must have the patience of a saint or the ability to tune her out.

Frankly, Beth hasn't entirely moved past her youthful twenties idealism. It's probably a good thing she isn't the Freedom League's leader and in my upcoming Raven writeup, I'll mention that Callie has little time or patience for "pet causes."

It's a little nod to the Diplomat Wonder Woman of the modern era. I.e. one that is occasionally a little grating in her pompousness.
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Postby Defender2.0 » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:19 pm

Charles Phipps wrote:It's a little nod to the Diplomat Wonder Woman of the modern era. I.e. one that is occasionally a little grating in her pompousness.


That is awesome. :D Can't wait for Callie Summers/Raven!
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Postby Charles Phipps » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:45 pm

Mastermind

The Mastermind can be summarized with two sentences. The first is how he views himself and the second is how he really is.

1. He is a being that possesses more knowledge and power than almost any other being in the cosmos with the possible exception of the Collector. This renders him to be the greatest thing in the universe.

2. He's still a caveman.

Mastermind is a being whom has certainly suffered tremendously for the experiments of the Preservers. The isolation from one's fellow human beings before being given ridiculous amounts of knowledge that other human beings couldn't possibly comprehend was enough to FORCE him to become utterly self absorbed in order to avoid catatonia.

On the other hand, his belief that he is above petty human emotions and ideas is utter nonsense. The Mastermind is arrogant, wrathful, obsessed with pecking order, and views all the world in the context of physical needs. While he no longer has sexual urges, at least ones that he acknowledges due to his overwhelming arrogance, the man might as well still be the figure that crawled out of the muck.

Take for instance the Mastermind's view of "paradise." His utterly logical world of infinite technological expansion, controlled domination, and immortal logic is a reflection of his own isolation. Ideas of family, friendship, emotion, and pleasure are removed because they were denied from his worldview for so long. While there would certainly be benefits to his reign, they would be at the cost of what most of us consider to be our humanity.

Annoyingly, the Mastermind is also a fairly lousy scientist as well. All of his tremendous knowledge was rote absorbed from the Preservers rather than the product of his own innovation. Gods? Don't exist. Magic? Utter nonsense. His causal dismissal of these concepts is influenced by the fact that his primitive caveman mind is still subconsciously afraid of these things and views science in the same context. To acknowledge that beings like Hades, Baron Samedi, or Mister Infamy are real is to submit that he is still not in total control over his environment.

Doctor Atom and Daedelus have both proven better scientists by their attempts to study the indefinable that Mastermind misses. It is these unusal things that have frequently lead to Mastermind's defeat since he refuses to move beyond the information that is in the Preservers databanks. Most likely, his human race would utterly stagnant under his control since he'd prevent them from moving beyond the Preserver's original conclusions. His arrogance in them is total, because he still subconsciously worships them as gods as his justification for HIS deification.

A part of Mastermind is afraid of humanity as it starts to show the "potential" that he nurtured because he subconsciously realizes they're eventually going to surpass him. He reserves a special hatred for scientist heroes that have open minds almost as much as those who practice mysticism. They represent the things he could never escape.

A part of him longs for some companionship but he could never believe a normal person could be his equal in intelligence and is afraid of what would happen if he did. That and he still views females as chattle, much as he viewed them tens of thousands of years ago.

He has lived so long that the threat of losing what he has, miserable as it is, is greater than his desire to alleviate himself. His hardcore atheism, despite some evidence to the contrary in an afterlife, mixed with his sociopath attitudes is enough to make his self-preservation trump all.
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Postby Charles Phipps » Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:00 pm

Libra wrote: One year later a black and terrible creature of the night leaped from the shadows, and stooped on the gang of thieves who had attempted to rob a family on their way home from the cinema.


I rather like this origin as well. Good show.

The Indiana Jones take is fascinating and works well with him.
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Postby SilvercatMoonpaw » Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:48 pm

I love reading these depths characterizations of the Freedom City heroes and villains (even though some leave me depressed). What's nice is hearing the details that one needs to consider in actually portraying a superhero "realistically" (in quotes because realistic is a grey area).

Libra's Raven is great, and should likely be considered by Steve and the others for it's spot-on explanation of why he chose a raven as his symbol.
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Postby Charles Phipps » Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:55 pm

Well I welcome any input.

I'm especially curious what depresses some people
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Postby RomLoneWolf23 » Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:58 pm

Cyclone wrote:I do have one little quibble, though, from Lady Liberty III's entry.

Charles Phipps wrote:(...) Beth was a noted pain in the ass for (...) gun manufacturers. (...)


Gun manufacturers? For... what, exactly? Wouldn't it be the gun dealers who keep forgetting little legal requirements like background checks and waiting periods that ought to be targeted?


Gun Control lobbyists tend to have a thing against the entire gun lifestyle, from manufacturers down to honest, law-abiding gun owners.

You know what would be interesting? A rival Lady Liberty, leaning to the Right, who argues in favor of 2nd amendment rights and a person's right to his religious beliefs..

But that's a bit off the topic. My take on the Angel Androids is simple..

They're the Powerpuff Girls. One is the serious, leader type, one is the rough tomboy, and the third is the one most like a real girl..
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Postby Charles Phipps » Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:04 am

Weirdly, I actually started with that as a basis.

Only Bubbles remained the same.

And I do think it'd be fun to have a right leaning one ;-)
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Postby Charles Phipps » Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:44 am

Raven II

Callie Summers was never a normal girl. Despite the fact that she was kept in the dark about her parents until she was sixteen, she picked up subconscious clues that they were a trifle strange from the very beginning,

Duncan Summer's desire to have a 'normal' daughter was equally unrewarded. Callie expressed utter disdain for her fellow New York elite daughters. Her interests included acrobatics, martial arts, fencing, swimming and eventually extreme sports but a social life was never particularly a concern for her. What time she didn't spend in fanatical devotion to her latest interest was spent reading.

There might have been a little bit of destiny at work since Callie Summer's favorite books were Edgar Allan Poe, Sherlock Holmes, and similiar mixtures of dark storylines. The only literature that was remotely bright was her comic book indulgence. Ironically, her father disliked comics intensely thanks to the 'historical Raven' stories that they published with only loose relationship to reality. Ducking Duncan's control to get her indulgence was the first time she subverted her father's control.

Jasmine Summers is partially to blame for Callie's attitudes as she was the one whom always got her tutors whom treated each of her indulgences like it was a life and death situation than a harmless fancy. Part of this was Jasmine disdaining Callie becoming one of the useless rich that Duncan hoped she'd become and another was her fear that her daughter would eventually have to face her father's legacy.

The historical night of her sixteenth birthday; when somehow her father had managed to get her Goth makeup washed off, her into a gown, and somehow get her to smile....she truly did look stunning. That was the night that her mother died, she faced Doctor Sin, and her father knew he could never escape his old enemies. It also made Callie realize that she wanted to do something important with her life like her father.

Raven has been a surprisingly effective fit into the Freedom League despite her somewhat caustic personality. Those who questioned what role a twenty something girl might contribute despite her service during the Terminus Invasion were quickly proven wrong as she's managed to be every bit as effective as her father. She doesn't say much during meetings except to occasionally take over or deride plans but the negative voice has managed to save the League from disaster on several occasions.

Captain Thunder tends to be a bit protective over her despite the fact she repeatedly proves to be one of the most capable planners on the team. It's difficult for Thunder to look past that she's the daughter of a friend and how he'd feel if his own superhero son was lost. Callie actually likes the Doctor but has little patience for his idealism. Raven refuses to remain part of the 'community' and uses the time the rest of the League puts to social works to fight crime as a solo operative.

(The only time Miss Summers has ever made a social comment was during Jonny Rocket's scandal where she said "We're crime fighters. Being gay doesn't effect his ability to do his job effectively." Which was, for her, rousing support)

This has also put her a bit at odds with Lady Liberty on occasion as its Callie who consistently is the one to pipe up that they're primary purpose is to fight crime. Part of this friction is the fact that Callie doesn't believe in easy answers to society's problems, that truly evil people will exist no matter how good the world is, and their efforts would better be focused on hunting down supervillains than trying to inspire people.

Daedalus is very fond of Callie and thankfully had a few decades to adjust to the idea of women crime fighters (Boudica, Joan of Arc, and Spartan women helped give him a context). He thinks of her as a necessary component for keeping them as a serious crime fighting force. The fact that she is the only committed investigator onboard is a talent that they desperately need as much as superpowers. Daedelus is one of the few members she implicitely trusts and also is the one person who can annoyingly penetrate her armor.

Oddly, Jonny Rocket is one of the few people in the Freedom League that she liked as a person as opposed to respected as a colleague. Something about his infectious glee and personality was almost enough to get her to lighten up. Raven discovered he was gay well before he came out and it was more than mildly embarrassing for her since it had been while she was coming to ask him out on a date. Jonny is oddly equal parts intimidated by Raven and aware she's a young woman thats just trying to do her best.

Miss Summers is also the only Freedom Leaguer with regular contact with Foreshadow. She tends to stand up for him and is dumbfounded at Captain Thunder's distaste for vigilantes. The two have worked together on several cases and have an almost supernatural rapport. Callies only relationship was during one of the times that he was broken up with Lady Tarot. Though it doesn't interfere with their crime fighting, Miss Summers distaste for her and his coming back to her is strong.

The team member that Callie leasts get along with is Fletcher Beaumont the Third. Fletcher is the only member on the team that's younger than her, comes from the same social class, doesn't have powers, and is also a legacy. She thus tends to ride him more than any other member and comes down hardest on his attempts to be proactive. Callie just has difficulty adjusting to seeing part of herself in him. Bowman is alternatively actively resentful of the 'witch' whom thinks she's so much more capable and adoring the woman for achieving everything he's set out to do. The fact that they're the same age is not lost on the rather infamously lothario bloodline's heir either, though Callie tries to actively reject any attraction.

Once burned and all that.

Callie is always in control unless she faces down the minions of Doctor Sin or catches whiff of them. Quite bluntly, during that she loses all rationality and God help whomever is in her way. There's several times that only the presence of another hero has kept her from killing one. Bluntly, every encounter she's had with the Doctor has been an attempt to prove that his immortality is wrong.
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Postby RomLoneWolf23 » Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:18 am

Here's my take on Doc Otaku's personality..

Japan is a nation that takes it's education seriously. And none do so more then the Takashi family.

The Takashi family is one of Japan's more prestigious families, as it's members have all contributed to Japan's scientific and social improvement. Solo's grandfather was Japan's greatest doctor. His mother was one of it's first female geneticist. His father helped to pioneer the silicon microchip. From his earliest childhood, Solo Takashi has been groomed to be a genius by his extremely controlling family, wanting him to "live up to his potential".

All the games he has ever had were "Educational Toys". Where other children played baseball, he learned to play violin. All he was ever allowed to watch on television were science shows. All he was allowed to read were science books and classical litterature. All the food he was ever fed was health food.

...Needless to say, Solo was absolutely miserable. He always felt something was missing from his life until one of his family's domestics, a young die-hard otaku, decided to sneak Solo to a sci-fi convention in Tokyo for a day of relaxation.

Needless to say, Solo instantly fell in love with science fiction and pop culture. Manga, anime, sentai, tokasetsu, cosplaying, video games, junk food... He was discovering a world he'd been denied all his life, and he was hooked.

It even made the punishment he recieved afterwards for skipping his daily schedual tolerable. Even afterwards, he vowed that he would never give up his newfound hobbies, no matter what. He first settled on simple transgressions such as hiding manga under his mattress or anime avi files in his computer. He soon came to resent his parents' constant authority.

Then, his talent with electronics and mechanics were discovered, and an old family friend, Daedelus, offered to take the young Solo as a protege to teach him. His family readily accepted, and even he was interested at first. Finally he was given intellectual challenges and given freedom to enjoy his hobbies at the same time.

But soon Solo came to resent Daedelus' attempts at paternal guidance as yet more unwelcome authority. (gotta stop here for now. More later)
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Postby Charles Phipps » Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:42 pm

Doctor Sin

Almost everyone knows Doctor Sin's personality. He's been such a larger than life character in the stories of human history that few people don't have the basic idea of how he acts. He's almost a cliche by himself. The erudite anachronism that's always ready with a koan or saying. The master of Western technologies and Eastern philosophy that can calmly torture you to death as if he was discussing tea.

Doctor Sin has come to regret allowing Sax Rohmer to record a "loose adaptation" of real life adventurer Denis Smith's adventures against him. It has resulted in his presence becoming far less feared than he ever imagined. A part of him is aware that his infamy is blunted by the fact he's been thwarted on so many occasions.

While Doctor Sin pretends to possess infinite patience and the calm of a Buddah, he's actually quite tempermental. A vengeful whirlwind of hatred and vendettas that take root in the back of his consciousness before growing ever more intense in their strength. The Doctor does not forgive the slightest affront to his dignity nor does he forget.

A part of this has to do with the fact that the Doctor defines himself by the respect he recieves. His childhood spent in the courts of China, not the Forbidden City since he had no desire to surrender his manhood but in the service of the state, was constantly a game of fighting from poverty up the ladders of respect in the exam system. The son of peasants, he has always held grandeur as the only real meaning in life.

One could probably psychoanalyze Western Imperialism, the humiliation of the Chinese Empire, the Opium Wars, the Boxer Rebellion, and the subsequent revolutions in order to talk about why Doctor Sin is so obsessed with destroying the West but that would be to underestimate what his own consciousness has crystalized into. Doctor Sin no longer blames the West for the destruction of his country. His anger at the Chinese people for their failings is almost equal to his loathing for the West for taking advantage of it. Betrayed on all sides, only his family had any real meaning for him.

....even that turned against him.

Doctor Sin's greatest secret is the fact that he is not a man whom holds any form of power to be sacred. Science, magic, alien technology, demons, crime, politics, corporations are all different ways of exercising the same fundamental views. His organization has no name since that would define it (though the Raven referred to as the Si-Fan because Rhommer felt it needed a name). Doctor Sin controls very little of his organization directly but has influence or the direct terror of countless satellite group's leaders. Everything from Japanese ninjas to Indian Thuggee to the American Skull and Bones society.

Most of Doctor Sin's time is spent studying over new developments in the world. He specializes in very few things but has used chemicals, genetics, and Chinese magic to increase his mind's capacity to grasp information. Anything could be a possible use to him and that is why he is far greater in mind than even August Roman the American King of Crime. The Doctor sleeps about four hours a week and even that is something that he often feels is too much.

Doctor Sin, in order to justify his selfish need for power, is a man that certainly talks a good game. In WW2, he blackmailed the heroes of the Age into helping him on several occasions by pretending that he wanted nothing more than world peace and an end to Japanese imperialism. It was only after the war that the communists discovered that the Manchu occupation had included many of Doctor Sin's allies (the Doctor playing all sides against one another). Doctor Sin will talk about the environment, the threat of nuclear holocaust (that one is no longer quite the good copy it used to be), or alien threats to justify his world domination but one should not take any of his words seriously. He'll share his harvested technology with his slaves but the Doctor's genorosity is limited to when he's victorious.

As a note, Doctor Sin is also supremely self gratifying. In order to make sure that his enemies do not necessary try to kill him or to preserve his sense of invincibility, he does his best to flatter them and hand out an olive branch. Even if the player characters utterly destroy his operation, he's likely to come up with a story that states this all fell into his plans somehow or that the world will suffer terribly for their foolishness. A few have accepted Doctor Sin's bribes over the years or been coerced into helping him. The dreaded man thinks that pretending he's honorable serves a far better purpose than being uniformly evil. He also hesitates to simply call a hit out on enemies but this is more the fact that his need for revenge requires it to be face to face.

While the Raven's feud with Doctor Sin is the most legendary, there are a few other heroes that the man hates almost as much. The Atom Family frequently clashed with him and destroyed his plots for world domination (the fact that Max Atom as a boy was able to thwart his efforts is particularly galling to the man). He respected the Atoms as scientists but his desire to destroy them and take their knowledge is almost as great as any other foe in his life.

With the death of Jasmine, Doctor Sin is starting to consider remarriage at this point and siring a new family. While now extremely cynical about his offspring, he's not so stupid as to think Callie Summers will ever willingly serve him. At most, she'll be his assassin to destroy her father than wed one of his lieutenants to bear an heir. Doctor Sin's last marriage attempt was thwarted in Freedom City's China town by a local tong and an unnamed trucker in yet another humiliating defeat that cost him several elemental champions...

China's communist government, questionable as it is, would probably embrace any hero that finally put an end to Doctor Sin more than any other nation. In other nations, Doctor Sin is oddly treatd as less of a threat than Overshadow.
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Postby Libra » Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:37 pm

Somewhat suprisingly as most of the rest of the world is not even aware that Overshadow still exists. . .(Read Agents of Freedom. All will be explained. It's a fun read on general principles as well!)

Otherwise a great set of characterisations all round.

(Although I admit that I think of Callie's Dark "Defender" persona as mostly an act, except when she's facing her Grandfather. I think of her as more akin to Jakita Wagner: cheerful, but with a chronically low threshold for boredom and when she gets bored, then watch out because she's all hands. . . or at least pretends to be in order to amuse herself with the discomfited reactions of others.)

I think you may have hit Beth right on the nose Charles.

Oh, and thank you for the kind comments on my - rather sketchy - origin of Duncan Summers. I drew heavily on "The Raven" by Edger Allen Poe for the exact circumstances in which Duncan meets his fate.

I picture his origin as containing a rather cheeky red herring. The framing device of the narrative is a black-and-white series of what appear to be flashbacks to a Wayne-style mugging gone wrong, with full colour panels showing the origin of the Raven, with the last page depicted in full colour, showing Duncan springing out of the Shadows to take down the mugger who accosts the young boy's family, cape billowing.

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